It sounds like your house was built with attention to air sealing. The perimeter of the floor where it meets the walls sag bad. I also want to side the place. I think it would probably even be cheaper since you would not have the costs of working on the existing roof. Cleaned cattle hair and mineral wool came later followed by cellulose (the best use for the NY Times I can think of). Click to reveal After running this model through REMDesign replacing all the R-15 walls with R-21 walls, the total energy savings are $41 per year. My house looks mostly like the victory style in that pdf file, but not quite, and i am surrounded by Regency, Edwardian, and some late Victorian. He argues that balloon framing has its origins in maison en boulin construction a type of French Missouri construction used in towns along the Mississippi River. Your addition should totally support itself. Your statement has made me rethink my next projectremoving the original tub / shower surround and replacing it with a ready-to-install shower base and fully tiled walls using ceramic subway tiles.My tub runs along the outside wall. The most recent changes to Chapter 30B occurred on August 9, 2016, when the Governor signed An Act Modernizing Municipal Finance and Government. I have a 1986 D/W. They can pull the trap a long way before they stop moving. What is 2x6 construction? JonaThanks for your reply, sadly I dont have that kind of space available. Photograph 5: Building AmericaAdvanced frame 2x6 structure, studs on 24 inch centers, single top and bottom plates, 1.5 inches foil faced polyisocyanurate insulating sheathing. just not sure. Performance- I have passed using several different home designs. A thicker wall provides better strength, insulation, and has a better look at the door and window openings. In REM Design there is a built-in module that lets you easily determine if you pass the Michigan Energy Code. Im a little worried that the glue will not last long and assuming this is how all the ceilings were put together.PaulHi Ashley,I wouldnt worry about it.They build the walls & and ceilings on a large jig that means the assembler just lays the wood in the marked places and nails/screws them together. The potential electrical problems need to be checked by someone with the right tools and the experience to know how to spot hidden damage. I refer, Read More Finding Competent Repair HelpContinue, The dealer is responsible for any promises the salesman made that were beyond what the factory provides. Hi Kevin, i have attached a few photos, they are the best my phone can take, i can dig out the camera if need be, i found some flat nails when i was removing the fiberglass in the headers for the cellulose, so i assume that is what the house is made of In 1958, the first double section off-site built home was constructed to a local building code, and thus the modular housing industry was born! A layer of rock-wool insulation is blown in on top of the ceiling. Floor Prep. Im not sure I am visualizing your layout correctly, but things like seats are normally installed last and have no load bearing or sturctural importance.Janet SteuerI bought a 1969 Detroiter, 12 x 65 with a 12 x 50 addition on it.. a friend of mine put 6x6s in the entry between living room and addition room. Cavity insulation got a pretty inauspicious start in America as compressed eel grass (Cabots Quilt) at the turn of the last century. Homes that are not quite ready to ship will back up in the yard. I was told this happened because of the weight of the drywall.Today I reinforced the exterior perimeter with 44s every 4 feet to maybe help combat this from going further. You might find this link entertaining http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2003/JackGreen.shtmlI suppose one of them could find a small soft spot but even that seems unlikely.Enjoy your party.Paul, Manufactured home warranties Mobile homes come with warranties. In general, homes built before World War II were likely to be built with rough-sawn full-dimension 2x4s. +44 (0)7540 787812 frances@constructionandbuildingphotography.com. Explore if there is a path to code compliance with 2x4 construction. CasondraI have a 1972 Norris single wide mobile home. Our home is on a poured concrete basement that still looks good and solid. Can I removed the roof and build a whole new one cathedral style?PaulThat would be a really bad idea. are normally provided by the dealer or a contractor working for him. Studs are the vertical boards and are normally 2 x 4 and spaced every 16 in a manufactured home. Hes tried everything we can think of replaced the bolts and washers ; moved the toilet so it didnt touch the wall; put sealant on washers it still LEAKS!! It makes me wonder what could be done by someone with a case of caulk who knows what he is doing.The thing is, while the wall construction looks fragile, it did meet HUD standards. Many handymen wont work on mobile homes which makes the problem more difficult. Between 1850 an 1870 sawmills retooled from up and down saws to circular saw. The argument goes that colonists, not happy with wattle-and-daub infill over their timber frame buildings, installed clapboards on the outside walls for better weather protection. joeSo my mobile home is to old to move so I am wanting to take the axles off of it is there any way that could cause an issuePaulAll the houses I moved were supported on blocks with the wheels and axels hanging from their mounts with no weight on them. The home is almost worthless if it has be be moved.Especially if you have some handyman skills, many of these problems are not that difficult or expensive to fix. JamieI have a Palm Harbor 2004 32X80. Insert a straight edge into the gap as far as it will go and note the measurement on the stud framing the door or window. Besides, homeowners do so much creative work you couldnt trust the plans in any case.Im afraid you are on your own.Paul, Mike BizzaroAll Im in a Buddy mobile home.There is a nocturnal pest of some sort in the ceiling. That's what the term 16 OC, or 'on center' means in construction lingo. Assembly. It is on concrete pillarsPaulIs that feet or inches? They're inset on the floor with dado cuts that securely join the floor and walls. Without the roof in place the walls have no lateral support.If you want a cathedral ceiling, which I can understand, you need to shop for a home that already has one.Paul, TerryHi: My wife and I bought a 1976 Barrington Mobile Home, our celling truses are 2+2. The timbers bound the four sides of the frame. Jeff KillenI have a double wide circa 1970s in southern Oregon. It produces a structurally sounder frame and thus a stronger house. Balloon framed buildings are certainly lighter than those built with the earlier braced frame method, but in my experience, properly constructed, they have survived quite well. Ten percent less lumber (board-footage) and 30 percent fewer pieces. I have a canopy bed and it will not fit!PaulHi Tammie,No.Mobile home ceilings rely heavily on truss construction that provides maximum support with minimal use of materials. A Brief History of the Construction Industry. Pry off a piece of interior trim from around the door or a window. Approximately 150 production workers will produce 10-12 floors per day. So is this a common problem? Examine any unfinished exterior wall in the basement or in a closet and measure the width of the studs. 2023 The Taunton Press, Inc. All rights reserved. Do you know what caused the tear and if the problem has been fixed? Any suggestions for me EdPaulHi Edward,Ill have to admit that when looking at older homes I could never see any significant difference between brands.Water damage is the biggest hidden problem. You will have to have a local A/C person take a look at it to tell you what you are dealing with. Or could your house have been converted from a carriage house? I really dont want to tear down the existing ceiling and start over. To keep the posts from rotting it was found that you could support them on stones and from there it was found the posts could be supported on a raised sill frame resting on lots of stones and from there we got rubble foundations. You might want to look up Trailersteading by Anna Hess on Amazon and read her thoughts. You might consider building some kind of support structure that stands on the floor. He has autism and would greatly benefit from having one. The end of World War II caused the modular market to truly explode and greatly evolve. Decks, skirting (underpinning) etc. Save Sort by: Oldest worthy 13 years ago 05-08-2017, 05:50 AM #3. 2x4 studs are used for interior walls. Cloudflare Ray ID: 7a277ab26c053b50 The 5/16" thickness used to be the most popular measurement for Paper On Gypsum (POG) wallboards, but the majority of new Clayton homes with POG wallboards are now 3/8". No water on wall, window or ceiling. So what was the function of the building paper? Ceiling is sound right now with no problems that we can see. Vinyl is put in place and stapled around the edges (no adhesive). Once a fire retardant was added, cellulose became a popular insulation material option. The manufacturer is not responsible for damage in transit or what happens on the dealers lot. As I was researching this project I ran across a similar study on a 2,350 sq/ft house with similar details and the author came up with a total cost increase of $1,951.56 or $.83 per sq/ft of living space. Photograph 4: Waltrop HouseGermany, 1400, wattle-and-daub infill panels with an exposed timber frame. While all of this weatherboard, clapboard and sheathing evolution was going on things were also happening with the other stuff used as infill between the posts and staves. The decking is covered with tar paper and shingled. Daubers were the folks who plastered the outside of wood framed buildings.5 The ingredients yield the classic combination of binders, aggregates and reinforcement combinations that today form the basis of modern stucco.6 Wattle-and-daub panels that infilled exposed timber frames gave us the classic Tudor look - lime plaster (white) coatings between tar coated (black) timbers (Photograph 4). the one overhead is supported by the same at each end of the opening.. it HAD been sagging terribly before he put those beams in.. there is NOT a center beam, and it looks very nice. This is my first time living in a Mobile home so please forgive my ignorance in this question: I would like to have a party here but am unsure how many people I can invite because of the extra weight on the floor in the main area (front room, kitchen). { 120 comments read them below }kathyWe are looking at a used a trailer that has some iron?/metal apparatus sticking out one end past the skirting area. In the 1950s, plywood sheathing and particleboard became common, and, today, most standard-construction roofs use either half-inch plywood or particleboard's big brother, oriented-strand board (OSB). The price of nails fell so fast that by the 1850s nails cost less in Chicago than the tax on European nails. I MIGHT have water before winter sets in this year.PaulGood luck with all that.I find it hard to imagine making a mobile home weather tight in your climate.Paul. Asphalt shingle roof systems work great and are long-lasting up to 20 to 30 years. The pay back on 2x8 construction in years VS $ would not be worth it. It can be argued by that one evolutionary path for sheathing was wattle to wood lath to board sheathing to plywood to OSB to insulating foam-board sheets. I have a 1978 hillcrest mobile home. That study can be found at http://info.turnerandsonhomes.com/blog/cost-to-build-a-house-2x6-walls. You may have good reasons why it is the best approach for your situation. Ah, easy question, with clapboards and board sheathing it was to reduce drafts. The place was the American Midwest and the time was the first part of the 19th century. Open a door and measure the distance from the outside edge of the outside trim to the inside edge of the inside trim. It is not in good shape, so I am wanting to gut it completely down to its metal shell and studs and remodel the inside completely. All this gets us balloon framing. This website is using a security service to protect itself from online attacks. This other filling was often referred to as nogging and typically took the form of wattle-and-daub. Split branches or slats were woven together between vertical stakes creating a lattice (wattle) that was traditionally covered with a plaster-like material made of some combination of dirt, clay, sand, animal hair and animal dung and straw (daub) (Photograph 3). So the old shingles have to come off. When building your dream house, there are various opinions on 2x6 construction. MattPaul, I want to build a 128 addition to my 60s 1260 mobile. They normally arrive at the jobsite in 20'lengths. These three really, really big things lead to one of the greatest construction booms in history and the advent of affordable housing. Photograph 2: Exposed Timber FrameOne hundred and fifty year timber frame house being renovated. body walking around the table as I play?Thanks!-TomPaulIm still around, sometimes. Learn why at EGStoltzfus Homes we use 2x4 wall construction for our residential homes and how it can save you money. The Division of Housing's Building Codes & Standards (BCS) Section protects Colorado citizens by regulating diverse and unique aspects of the state's residential and nonresidential construction industry in partnership with local governments, the federal government, other state agencies, and the private sector. And if the last twenty years are any indication of what the next twenty are going to be like hold on to your hats. I have no affiliation with any product manufacturer and I am not getting paid for this series. Depending on how much the blocks sink into the soil and how much the wall rises you my have to repeat the process a few times.Then get to work on the places where water is getting into the walls and causes in the sagging, PennyMy daughter recently moved into her grandmothers doublewide which had been empty for 3 years only to discover raccoons in the ceiling. Big wood rats get up there, and I really need to get it sealed off..my floors get cold! You do NOT want to do anything that might weaken them.It would be much cheaper to buy a bed that fits.PaulTammieI was afraid that was the answer I was going to get, lol, thank you for replying, Paul. Thanks for your time and your advice! 1936-1953 produced a ton of beautiful mobile homes. This 2,742-sq.-ft. I see the industry standard wall for most of North America circa 2015 being 2x6 advanced frame at 24-inch centers with exterior foam insulating sheathing and a spray applied cavity insulation lined with gypsum board (Photograph 5). My experience was that it was very hard to add enough value to make such extensive renovations worthwhile from a financial standpoint. Living in New Mexico we also have very dry air. It is the 2x6 stud, usually 8ft long, which are used for framing the exterior walls around the whole house. Based on these standards, a 6x6-inch nominal lumber board is actually 5 x 5 inches. The total difference in cost to build your house with 2x6 exterior construction vs 2x4 is $2,149.90. Here in rural Vermont, builders are still sometimes building new homes with rough-cut full-dimension 2x4s (or, more commonly, 2x6s) cut on a bandsaw mill. You are telling me there are no leaks showing under the home so that cant be it. Setup can raise tough issues because of the number of organizations involved. RogerIs it impractical to try to take a single wide frame and build from that?PaulI doubt the numbers would pencil out. LocationTampa Bay, Florida, USA. The 1950s through 1970s. We live in CT and are going to have a modular home built. The nails allowed us to get rid of complex joinery no more mortise and tenon and allow relatively unskilled folks to nail together mass produced small sticks (2x4s and 2x6s and 2x8s) spaced closely together in a light frame. Your professional opinion would be greatly appreciated.PaulI think that would be a REALLY big mistake!DwightThanks Paul. Walls are built using wood boards called studs. Complete Mobile Home Codes - 2022. Common characteristics included: 26 walls, stippled ceilings now standard, introduced PVC vinyl double pane windows, improved ventilation systems, skylights and vinyl or wood siding standard, no more metal siding. You can email the site owner to let them know you were blocked. On December 19, 2014 the Government of BC made a revision to the BC Building Code 2012 in order to increase the Energy Efficiency and Ventilation requirements of new homes and renovations and. Someone uses a router to cut notches into all the exterior wall studs and wire for the wall outlets is stapled in these notches. If you dont have a tester of some kind bring a small lamp with you and check EVERY outlet with it. In the U.S. Code of Federal Regulations (HUD) Title 24, Sbtitle B, Chapter XX, Part 3285 describes Model Manufactured Home Installation Standards, given for 2022 and older years in the list below. One more question for Paul: can we cut off the tongue and pull out the bench seat existing?PaulHi Alison,Cutting off the tongue shouldnt be a problem. A Surprising Financial Study of 2x6 Construction, I have been in the energy business for the last 12 years or so in one capacity or another. Finally the 2nd exterior wall is lowered and fastened into place. Problem was it looked like trailer decor and I couldnt stand looking at it every day. This feature has been temporarily disabled during the beta site preview. If you have lots of wood available to you, why use wattle-and-daub infill? I have 1994 16 x 70 Commodore I need to do serious repairs on and looking for specs has been futile. There were trailers for camping and large mobile homes for full-time living. $1.00 sq/ft- Insulate with R-21 fibrous material. Now suppose an electrical breaker blows whenever the AC comes on. PaulI have a 2000 Homes of Merit double wide. Why would there be 60+ of drain pipe for the kitchen sink, (accept to keep plumbers in Cadillacs?). That is how I found the problem, it was fastened I think jus below the top plate. If that is the case with yours removing them is fine. thanks HenryPaulHi Henry,All links seem to point the HUD which is such an enormous organization I got lost trying to find anything useful. I would prefer not to post that kind of personal information, i apologize, I've tried what i can think of, its balloon framed, brick basement walls, made with barn board walls, its the first time i have seen plaster-lath-plaster,barnboard (1.5in thick barnboard), 2x4, (no exterior sheathing) exterior wood siding and vinyl siding (added on top about 10 years ago) (County codes officer already said I can get a building permit if I can get it off the frame, since all else meets code. Warranty repairs require huge amounts of travel time, and things that would have been simple to fix during construction are much more difficult to handle. When this happens, they are no longer able to seal out the water and will often leak. Is it ok to take off the metal roof and cover the rafters with plywood and shingles, box it in, and install blown in insulation and add attic air vents? With the hundreds of nails driven in by the air nailers and the glue set, there will not be any way to change it later. The 1980s. The combination of materials you describe -- interior boards, plaster, then lath and a second layer of plaster -- makes for a fairly airtight interior finish surface. I see, mine are rough sawn and of course old. Am I able to take down the interior walls without worrying about structural integrity? Compared to the weight of book cases, aquariums, water beds, pianos and other things people move into mobile homes your guests total weight is small.The heaviest point load on the floor will come from the high heels some of your guests will be wearing. Did water get under it, was the soil not properly compacted, etc. It has been argued that it happened the other way around. Can I remove the flat ceiling and vault the ceiling? Back To Top. Using approved software, make your proposed design house use the same or less energy than a reference house. Many years ago I called the factory where the mobile home was made, but what they sent me really did not show how this house was made.If you can help us get the plane we would appreciate it.Sincerely: TerryPaulI have never known anyone to have any luck getting plans to even new homes. Over time the wattle evolved into horizontal wooden lath supported on smaller vertical members called studs. I WANT to put a sloped tin roof over top of the EPDM wrapped rubber roof that leaks like a sieve but might have to put vertical beams outside to take the weight. Is there any water in the A/C ducts? Rachel Jones. Fiberglass batts came in the 1930s, first as partial fills and then as full fills. There are no doubt multiple ways to meet the standard, none of which the insurance company is qualified to evaluate. And am I supposed to put plastic on the dirt under my trailor? In our town there is a big debate about exterior walls. Professor Ted Cavanagh of Dalhousie University argues that balloon framing was not invented by George Washington Snow or Augustine Taylor as Chicagoans tell it but that its origins are distinctly French. Last winter with the 80% furnace it was using indoor air and the humidity was at 30% and i had a hell of a time trying to raise it (i gave up), but with the new furnace i have had 50% humidity till about -10C and at -20C i am down to 30% (i get shocks every time i leave the computer). The home is hooked up to power, water and gas and everything should get tested. Home . Floors. The frame wall is undergoing another revolution (okay, it just seems that way because not much has changed in 150 years) a 2x6 frame at 24-inch centers and single top and bottom plates is likely to replace the conventional 2x4 frame. The plan to plan variation is not great and anyone who has worked at the factory for more than a few weeks has all the variations memorized. In that case it would have been a delicious irony that balloon framings coming out party was in Paris as an example of American innovation. Palisade WallClosely spaced posts embedded in the ground, Timber FrameStave construction, timber four-sided frame with vertical exterior weatherboards, Wattle and DaubTar coated exposed frame with an early pre-evolutionary version of exterior stuccoNeanderthal Stucco; board sheathing inner lining, Clapboard Timber FrameTypical 1900 New England timber frame with plaster and lath interior lining and exterior board sheathing, rosin paper and clapboards, Platform FrameTypical 1950 American wood frame assembly with plywood sheathing and an interior gypsum board lining, Advanced FrameInsulating sheathing over 2x6 advanced frame, In the beginning there was cold and wet, and Hutcheon and Handegord said let there be an enclosure that separates the inside from the outside, and Timusk saw that it was good. Openings for windows and electrical outlets are cut. A collection of one thousand construction details organized by climate and house part. So if you see such framing and are wondering how it passed, they probably also used blue insulation on the outside, or something else to achieve r20. I have been looking around under the unit and I cannotfigure out where the kitchen sink drain intersects the main sewer.None of the other appliances are plugged (bathroom sinks, toilets,tubs). "Any idea why they would have used barnboard then plaster then lath then plaster again and no exterior sheathing?". Others say that their 2x4 walls have the same insulation value as the 2x6's, as some builders of the 2x6 walls don't put enough insulation in them. Relief came in the summer as the cost of wood gradually began to return to historically average levels. I am in Alaska, so also intend to put vertical 2 x 4s in the interior walls, and insulate the hell out of this place!! Anyone wanting to move one of them has to find/buy/rent them. This is likely to be the industry standard in the next decade. In the Scandinavian countries the vertical boards were used to protect timber and log structures from weathering. If a couple of tires go at once and the frame hits the ground, it can be bent, making future leveling impossible. Their job is to figure out the cheapest ways to meet, but not exceed the HUD standards. with the additional lath and plaster added after they had trouble wit the plaster sticking. The cost is minimal compared to the benefits. The temptation will be to ship them anyhow. Some spray foams are being promoted as not only providingcavity insulation and air tightness but also structural properties related to shear and impact resistance. What if you opened the trap and worked on the nearby lines?Your diswasher comment bothers me a little. Setup. Jul 21, 2014. CarolThanks for your replay. The complete source for building, designing, and remodeling green homes. Then plywood began to be replaced with oriented stand board (OSB) in the 1970s. So here we go, To determine the cost effectiveness of 2x6 construction. http://info.turnerandsonhomes.com/blog/cost-to-build-a-house-2x6-walls. And our electric rates are some of the lowest in the country and our climate is fairly mild, particularly compared to yours. It is something you must think about and decide when deciding to build. are cut and the electrical boxes installed. An 8 x 8-inch nominal board is actually 7 x 7 inches. At the same time, the plumbing people are installing showers and tubs and the cabinet and mirror people are fastening their things in place. Michael kelseyI have a 2003 champion double wide that was just set up and do not have power to the master bedroom and den. Which town? Police in Albuquerque recently clocked some homes going through a construction zone at 65MPH. My question is ,Am I adding to much weight to this home.It was built in 1983(?). The sheathing and house wrap functions are being combined we already see hybrid OSB systems with an exterior surface that is also a water control layer. Good thinking about where to place it.Paul. I envision bracing and reinforcing with a kinda L wood bracket underneath.. Whats your take?PaulCan I assume it is located where neighbors wont complain about what you do and that money is an issue?How about buying some 2 x 4 or 2x 6 pressure treated boards, some concrete block, some 4 x 4pressure treated posts and some wood wedges like the mobile home setup guys use to level a house.Fasten the 2 x 4 as best you can to the bottom of the walls. However, they represent two distinct evolutionary branches but with a common ancestor. March 4, 2022. . Some companies recommend 16 O.C. Alan, (Yeslots of money not wisely spent I knowI knowI knowbut had to live there much longer than planned and I couldnt stand the added depression from living in ugly.) I was taught that a parge coat was the cementious rendering applied to the exterior of masonry foundation walls (to reduce groundwater entry) or to the interior of masonry mass walls (to reduce air leakage and water penetration), and finally to the interior of chimneys to improve gas tightness. Never mind, this will get edited out anyway. I have not tried this either, but it looks easier and should be cheaper.If you choose to go that route I would appreciate hearing back about how it worked out.Paul, DenaPaul, my mother recently purchased an early 80s mobile home and we are looking to expand the two bedrooms to one larger room. Mobile Homes built before 1976 were constructed to much lower standards than those built later. Diagonal bracing kept the frames from falling over. On the evolutionary trail instead of Australopithecines, we will start with timber framing. CasondraThank you so much. JillDo you have any generic blue print style drawings that I can work off of? To the extent you can, keeping the weight closer to the centerline of the home would reduce the load. In Old Norse load bearing posts were called stafr which gave rise to the term stave construction. However, this is a very temporary solution because the dealers or customers are going to find these problems on the lot or after it has been set. The McCabe Residence passed the Energy Code Using the Performance path with the approved software REM Design. For any nominal lumber dimension over 6 inches, the dimensional size will be inch smaller. Testing. wired into place. WillPaul, I am glad I found YOU!. Floors is an industry term meaning 1 single-wide or 1/2 of a doublewide.
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