._3oeM4kc-2-4z-A0RTQLg0I{display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;-ms-flex-pack:justify;justify-content:space-between} There is also Sudden Spoiling, which is powerful but lasts for that turn, or Polymorphist's Jest, which is similarly a 1 turn solution. Obeka, Brute Chronologist rulings: 2020-11-10: Ending the turn this way means the following things happen in order: 1) All spells and abilities on the stack are exiled. I had to explain it to my cEDH loving friend when they got excited over the spoilers. One thing to note about the clean up step here, from gatherer: If any triggered abilities do trigger during this process, theyre put onto the stack during the cleanup step. by LoneEmberFTW, New Lord The ending point of this sequence must be a place where a player has priority, though it need not be the player proposing the shortcut. After commander legends I made an Obeka EDH list. Cantrips like Ponder and Preordain are also good at digging for a land, but I know in Talrand it stings pretty bad when you Preordain and don't find a land and I needed one. EDIT (Sep. 18): Some rules were renumbered in the meantime. Commander / EDH Multiplayer Tokens UBR (Grixis) Cobara86. During an opponent's draw step, I tap Obeka and ask if they want to end their turn. This sequence may be a non-repetitive series of choices, a loop that repeats a specified number of times, multiple loops, or nested loops, and may even cross multiple turns. But remember, the latest wording of a card is always given in its Oracle text (C.R. Well finally got my sweaty palms on the cards needed for the deck and played out about 10 games. If you run Obeka, Brute Chronologist you can play stuff like Goryo's Vengeance, and she stops eot sacrifices. Obeka Ruling Hey all, my friend recently built an Obeka, Brute Chronologist deck and we've been struggling to understand the ruling. Rule juggling is fun but you're overlooking other rules. (Note the lack of the word "next".) Reanimation is one of the most popular themes in the entire Magic: The Gathering Commander format. It has Tap: The player whose turn it is may end the turn. Oneka's second ruling states Would it just come down to whoever loses patience first? Obeka, Brute Chronologist. "Until end of turn" is now used exclusively for defining a duration of an effect. [Obeka, Brute Chronologist]] I want to build her so bad but every time I try I hurt my head . This is also why myriad works. In order for it to be considered a shortcut loop you must propose all actions involved including your opponents. 1x Command Tower. From what I understand, end step effects go on the stack and can be canceled by ending the turn with Obeka, but until end of turn effects do not go on the stack and happen with the cleanup step, therefore they cannot be interacted with. Doesn't work at all. Ending the turn this way means the following things happen in order: 1) All spells and abilities on the stack are exiled. The entire reason Obeka has 'may' in the card text is to prevent this. Obeka, Brute Chronologist + Final Fortune + Elite Arcanist/Isochron Scepter = Infinite turns lol. It seems you have the correct knowledge of how Obekas ability works, but here is a link for sundial of the infinite which acts exactly the same as Obeka. ._1EPynDYoibfs7nDggdH7Gq{margin-bottom:8px;position:relative}._1EPynDYoibfs7nDggdH7Gq._3-0c12FCnHoLz34dQVveax{max-height:63px;overflow:hidden}._1zPvgKHteTOub9dKkvrOl4{font-family:Noto Sans,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:21px;font-weight:400;word-wrap:break-word}._1dp4_svQVkkuV143AIEKsf{-ms-flex-align:baseline;align-items:baseline;background-color:var(--newCommunityTheme-body);bottom:-2px;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;-ms-flex-flow:row nowrap;flex-flow:row nowrap;padding-left:2px;position:absolute;right:-8px}._5VBcBVybCfosCzMJlXzC3{font-family:Noto Sans,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-weight:400;line-height:21px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-bodyText)}._3YNtuKT-Is6XUBvdluRTyI{position:relative;background-color:0;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText);fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText);border:0;padding:0 8px}._3YNtuKT-Is6XUBvdluRTyI:before{content:"";position:absolute;top:0;left:0;width:100%;height:100%;border-radius:9999px;background:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText);opacity:0}._3YNtuKT-Is6XUBvdluRTyI:hover:before{opacity:.08}._3YNtuKT-Is6XUBvdluRTyI:focus{outline:none}._3YNtuKT-Is6XUBvdluRTyI:focus:before{opacity:.16}._3YNtuKT-Is6XUBvdluRTyI._2Z_0gYdq8Wr3FulRLZXC3e:before,._3YNtuKT-Is6XUBvdluRTyI:active:before{opacity:.24}._3YNtuKT-Is6XUBvdluRTyI:disabled,._3YNtuKT-Is6XUBvdluRTyI[data-disabled],._3YNtuKT-Is6XUBvdluRTyI[disabled]{cursor:not-allowed;filter:grayscale(1);background:none;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaTextAlpha50);fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaTextAlpha50)}._2ZTVnRPqdyKo1dA7Q7i4EL{transition:all .1s linear 0s}.k51Bu_pyEfHQF6AAhaKfS{transition:none}._2qi_L6gKnhyJ0ZxPmwbDFK{transition:all .1s linear 0s;display:block;background-color:var(--newCommunityTheme-field);border-radius:4px;padding:8px;margin-bottom:12px;margin-top:8px;border:1px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-canvas);cursor:pointer}._2qi_L6gKnhyJ0ZxPmwbDFK:focus{outline:none}._2qi_L6gKnhyJ0ZxPmwbDFK:hover{border:1px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-button)}._2qi_L6gKnhyJ0ZxPmwbDFK._3GG6tRGPPJiejLqt2AZfh4{transition:none;border:1px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-button)}.IzSmZckfdQu5YP9qCsdWO{cursor:pointer;transition:all .1s linear 0s}.IzSmZckfdQu5YP9qCsdWO ._1EPynDYoibfs7nDggdH7Gq{border:1px solid transparent;border-radius:4px;transition:all .1s linear 0s}.IzSmZckfdQu5YP9qCsdWO:hover ._1EPynDYoibfs7nDggdH7Gq{border:1px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-button);padding:4px}._1YvJWALkJ8iKZxUU53TeNO{font-size:12px;font-weight:700;line-height:16px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-button)}._3adDzm8E3q64yWtEcs5XU7{display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex}._3adDzm8E3q64yWtEcs5XU7 ._3jyKpErOrdUDMh0RFq5V6f{-ms-flex:100%;flex:100%}._3adDzm8E3q64yWtEcs5XU7 .dqhlvajEe-qyxij0jNsi0{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-button)}._3adDzm8E3q64yWtEcs5XU7 ._12nHw-MGuz_r1dQx5YPM2v,._3adDzm8E3q64yWtEcs5XU7 .dqhlvajEe-qyxij0jNsi0{font-size:12px;font-weight:700;line-height:16px;cursor:pointer;-ms-flex-item-align:end;align-self:flex-end;-webkit-user-select:none;-ms-user-select:none;user-select:none}._3adDzm8E3q64yWtEcs5XU7 ._12nHw-MGuz_r1dQx5YPM2v{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-button);margin-right:8px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-errorText)}._3zTJ9t4vNwm1NrIaZ35NS6{font-family:Noto Sans,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:21px;font-weight:400;word-wrap:break-word;width:100%;padding:0;border:none;background-color:transparent;resize:none;outline:none;cursor:pointer;color:var(--newRedditTheme-bodyText)}._2JIiUcAdp9rIhjEbIjcuQ-{resize:none;cursor:auto}._2I2LpaEhGCzQ9inJMwliNO,._42Nh7O6pFcqnA6OZd3bOK{display:inline-block;margin-left:4px;vertical-align:middle}._42Nh7O6pFcqnA6OZd3bOK{fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-button);color:var(--newCommunityTheme-button);height:16px;width:16px;margin-bottom:2px} In response you, as the active player, activate obeka. That way the trigger has gone off and will not trigger again at a later end step. Anyway, I just wanted to make sure I'm not missing anything on this. Upvote 1. They naturally refuse. by Maelk. Has Purphoros been working well for you? A trigger waiting for "the beginning of the next end step" would trigger on the next turn's End Step (assuming it happens, your opponent might have an Obeka too). Should I enter the end phase, then use Obeka to exile the "you lose the game" ability, then during the cleanup step Thawing Glaciers would trigger, and I would need to either use a Sundial of the Infinite, or untap Obeka with a spell or ability and use her ability again? A forum for Questions and Discussions about the Rules of Magic the Gathering. (Exile all spells and abilities from the stack. I reasoned that the lore behind him had something to do with the ancient past, but I thought he was even older -- perhaps the beloved he sought was the legendary Rebbec! 513.1a); this change generally didn't change the functionality of any cards (before Magic 2010, "at end of turn" meant the beginning of the relevant "end of turn step", now called end step [C.R. This can be found in the rulings on gatherer. The discussion above applies to these abilities as they do to "at the beginning of the next end step" abilities, except "end step" is replaced with "end of combat step". This includes spells and abilities that can't be countered. I have demonstrated a loop. Post Thus, you can't use Obeka (or Sundial of the Infinite) to keep "until end of turn" or "this turn" effects running after the current turn is over. Act of Treason, Giant Growth, Crew (Smuggler's Copter), etc will all end on the cleanup step of the current turn. It was enjoyable to learn the true back story behind Feldon. is there anyway for obeka's controller controller to keep control of the artifact that was taken due to nabber's effect? <i>(Exile all spells and abilities from the stack. If Obeka, Brute Chronologist is used to end the turn before an end step starts the triggers will trigger on the next turn's end step. Obeka, Brute Chronologist, illustrated by Jesper Ejsing. If you want to completely negate an end step trigger you can wait until it is put on the stack, and then end the turn in response. NM; EX; VG; G; 2 available @ $0.79 . Donate below to support the site and remove all ads. I'm sure no one else is too surprised though . Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Switch . .c_dVyWK3BXRxSN3ULLJ_t{border-radius:4px 4px 0 0;height:34px;left:0;position:absolute;right:0;top:0}._1OQL3FCA9BfgI57ghHHgV3{-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;-ms-flex-pack:start;justify-content:flex-start;margin-top:32px}._1OQL3FCA9BfgI57ghHHgV3 ._33jgwegeMTJ-FJaaHMeOjV{border-radius:9001px;height:32px;width:32px}._1OQL3FCA9BfgI57ghHHgV3 ._1wQQNkVR4qNpQCzA19X4B6{height:16px;margin-left:8px;width:200px}._39IvqNe6cqNVXcMFxFWFxx{display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;margin:12px 0}._39IvqNe6cqNVXcMFxFWFxx ._29TSdL_ZMpyzfQ_bfdcBSc{-ms-flex:1;flex:1}._39IvqNe6cqNVXcMFxFWFxx .JEV9fXVlt_7DgH-zLepBH{height:18px;width:50px}._39IvqNe6cqNVXcMFxFWFxx ._3YCOmnWpGeRBW_Psd5WMPR{height:12px;margin-top:4px;width:60px}._2iO5zt81CSiYhWRF9WylyN{height:18px;margin-bottom:4px}._2iO5zt81CSiYhWRF9WylyN._2E9u5XvlGwlpnzki78vasG{width:230px}._2iO5zt81CSiYhWRF9WylyN.fDElwzn43eJToKzSCkejE{width:100%}._2iO5zt81CSiYhWRF9WylyN._2kNB7LAYYqYdyS85f8pqfi{width:250px}._2iO5zt81CSiYhWRF9WylyN._1XmngqAPKZO_1lDBwcQrR7{width:120px}._3XbVvl-zJDbcDeEdSgxV4_{border-radius:4px;height:32px;margin-top:16px;width:100%}._2hgXdc8jVQaXYAXvnqEyED{animation:_3XkHjK4wMgxtjzC1TvoXrb 1.5s ease infinite;background:linear-gradient(90deg,var(--newCommunityTheme-field),var(--newCommunityTheme-inactive),var(--newCommunityTheme-field));background-size:200%}._1KWSZXqSM_BLhBzkPyJFGR{background-color:var(--newCommunityTheme-widgetColors-sidebarWidgetBackgroundColor);border-radius:4px;padding:12px;position:relative;width:auto} Mana Cost: Converted Mana Cost: 4. The opponent can't choose more No than you can choose Untap. Thanks for this detailed breakdown! We are mainly confused about at the next end step and until end of turn effects. There are two effects to look out for here. EDH decks and themes I'm currently playing! Card Text: . Because as niche as it sounds, I definitely want to run thawing glaciers in an obeka deck, and an extra mana could be the difference between entering an infinite turn loop with isochron. Patrons help maintain an ad-light experience, and are never shown ads. You can't "but I only did one then you chose no so I do it again" because now you're looping twice to the same board state as a result of the Obeka activation resolution, which is strictly against the rules. Potentially showing that Wizards intended the terms to be interchangeable, at least on older cards. Priority passes to you. Another Goad source that is great with a creature heavy board is Agitator Ant, which is hilarious a lot of the time. I'm not certain the Commander has enough explosive power to consistently win vs 2 decks, but I have very good results in 1 v 1 with my Rakdos deck, and it often has spare cards by the end of the game, be it wipe or removal, because the deck just runs so much of those, with lots of the removal hitting more than 1 target (I love stuff like Phyrexian Purge, Fire Covenant, Make an Example, and Volcanic Offering can each be a terror of a card, and a deck running all of them has lots of pinpoint removal that will clear lots of stuff out. Since there don't seem to be any follow-ups or corrections to be made, I've chosen one to mark as the "Accepted answer" so that this topic can move out of the list of unanswered questions. What do you think about adding anger, lightning greaves and hall of the bandit lord for haste? If you expect to have multiple opponents, Goad is a very strong effect, Karazikar, the Eye Tyrant is potentially pretty solid, lots of card draw. by RowanKeltizar 2 years ago, Post Imagine the following scenario: [[Aphetto Alchemist]] equiped with [[Illusionist's Bracers]] with our commander out. Which is why "the next end step" works, because when your opponent ends their turn its technically the turn after the "next end of turn" and doesn't trigger. Using Obeka to end the turn with the "until end of turn" triggers on the stack does stop those triggers during the first cleanup step but do those triggers still trigger again at the next cleanup step that follows? Obeka, Brute Chronologist's entire textbox simply says "Consequences are stupid.". This text, though, is unconventional for an ordinary triggered ability, so read it as "At end of combat, exile this creature". Spectacular Showdown is a great card if you've actually got a board of your own to finish people off, keep in mind that on your next turn, you not only won't have been attacked by any pre-existing creature, everyone else will have swung for the fences with Double Strike, and they will likely have nothing left to defend with, making your Double Strikers very effective. Rulings. Feeds | Obeka, Brute Chronologist. It also has the active player discard down to hand size if they're over their hand size limit. This trigger looks for the next end step to happen and triggers at that time. The player whose turn it is discards down to their maximum hand size. by LordsofChaos115, Sedris, Grave Defiler. by Olive_pdx, unthinkable apocalypse The way I understand it is the term "end of turn" is something that triggers every turn. Rulings. 'end of turn' effect: Act of Treason. obeka, brute chronologist interaction Asked by The_Overlord_666 1 year ago. A few to consider removing (I may be missing why you have them in, so user discretion is advised or something): Archive Trap, Outpost Siege, Palace Siege, Ponder, Preordain, Haunting Echoes, Cruel Ultimatum (this seems insanely hard to cast, and hits only 1 player, unless you can copy it I'd run Captive Audience if I want to hose one player hard), Cranial Extraction, Cormela, Glamour Thief, Kess, Dissident Mage, Kroxa, Titan of Death's Hunger, Lobber Crew, Loyal Subordinate, Nekusar, the Mindrazer, Obeka, Brute Chronologist, Phenax, God of Deception, Runo Stromkirk You have to choose a finite amount of times to execute the loop. Also, I think loops generally have to do something for a judge to not consider them stalling, and I don't think making my opponent say "no" counts as doing something. If you swing at who I want, I'll let you keep it for a while. If you end the turn with Obeka (or Sundial of the Infinite), this will move the turn to the cleanup step (C.R. The player whose turn it is discards down to their maximum hand size. ._2a172ppKObqWfRHr8eWBKV{-ms-flex-negative:0;flex-shrink:0;margin-right:8px}._39-woRduNuowN7G4JTW4I8{margin-top:12px}._136QdRzXkGKNtSQ-h1fUru{display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;margin:8px 0;width:100%}.r51dfG6q3N-4exmkjHQg_{font-size:10px;font-weight:700;letter-spacing:.5px;line-height:12px;text-transform:uppercase;-ms-flex-pack:justify;justify-content:space-between;-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center}.r51dfG6q3N-4exmkjHQg_,._2BnLYNBALzjH6p_ollJ-RF{display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex}._2BnLYNBALzjH6p_ollJ-RF{margin-left:auto}._1-25VxiIsZFVU88qFh-T8p{padding:0}._2nxyf8XcTi2UZsUInEAcPs._2nxyf8XcTi2UZsUInEAcPs{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-widgetColors-sidebarWidgetTextColor)} Out of stock. They decline to end the turn. Ive done a lot of reading and keep getting conflicting information. Playtest v1. 1x. Obeka has been the hardest nut for me to crack deck wise. 1x Canyon Slough. ._3Qx5bBCG_O8wVZee9J-KyJ{border-top:1px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-widgetColors-lineColor);margin-top:16px;padding-top:16px}._3Qx5bBCG_O8wVZee9J-KyJ ._2NbKFI9n3wPM76pgfAPEsN{margin:0;padding:0}._3Qx5bBCG_O8wVZee9J-KyJ ._2NbKFI9n3wPM76pgfAPEsN ._2btz68cXFBI3RWcfSNwbmJ{font-family:Noto Sans,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-weight:400;line-height:21px;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;-ms-flex-pack:justify;justify-content:space-between;-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center;margin:8px 0}._3Qx5bBCG_O8wVZee9J-KyJ ._2NbKFI9n3wPM76pgfAPEsN ._2btz68cXFBI3RWcfSNwbmJ.QgBK4ECuqpeR2umRjYcP2{opacity:.4}._3Qx5bBCG_O8wVZee9J-KyJ ._2NbKFI9n3wPM76pgfAPEsN ._2btz68cXFBI3RWcfSNwbmJ label{font-size:12px;font-weight:500;line-height:16px;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center}._3Qx5bBCG_O8wVZee9J-KyJ ._2NbKFI9n3wPM76pgfAPEsN ._2btz68cXFBI3RWcfSNwbmJ label svg{fill:currentColor;height:20px;margin-right:4px;width:20px;-ms-flex:0 0 auto;flex:0 0 auto}._3Qx5bBCG_O8wVZee9J-KyJ ._4OtOUaGIjjp2cNJMUxme_{-ms-flex-pack:justify;justify-content:space-between}._3Qx5bBCG_O8wVZee9J-KyJ ._4OtOUaGIjjp2cNJMUxme_ svg{display:inline-block;height:12px;width:12px}._2b2iJtPCDQ6eKanYDf3Jho{-ms-flex:0 0 auto;flex:0 0 auto}._4OtOUaGIjjp2cNJMUxme_{padding:0 12px}._1ra1vBLrjtHjhYDZ_gOy8F{font-family:Noto Sans,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;letter-spacing:unset;line-height:16px;text-transform:unset;--textColor:var(--newCommunityTheme-widgetColors-sidebarWidgetTextColor);--textColorHover:var(--newCommunityTheme-widgetColors-sidebarWidgetTextColorShaded80);font-size:10px;font-weight:700;letter-spacing:.5px;line-height:12px;text-transform:uppercase;color:var(--textColor);fill:var(--textColor);opacity:1}._1ra1vBLrjtHjhYDZ_gOy8F._2UlgIO1LIFVpT30ItAtPfb{--textColor:var(--newRedditTheme-widgetColors-sidebarWidgetTextColor);--textColorHover:var(--newRedditTheme-widgetColors-sidebarWidgetTextColorShaded80)}._1ra1vBLrjtHjhYDZ_gOy8F:active,._1ra1vBLrjtHjhYDZ_gOy8F:hover{color:var(--textColorHover);fill:var(--textColorHover)}._1ra1vBLrjtHjhYDZ_gOy8F:disabled,._1ra1vBLrjtHjhYDZ_gOy8F[data-disabled],._1ra1vBLrjtHjhYDZ_gOy8F[disabled]{opacity:.5;cursor:not-allowed}._3a4fkgD25f5G-b0Y8wVIBe{margin-right:8px} Let's say I'm on my second turn off a Final Fortune. Here is how it would work. Let's Brew with Obeka, Brute Chronologist as our commander on. .s5ap8yh1b4ZfwxvHizW3f{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText);padding-top:5px}.s5ap8yh1b4ZfwxvHizW3f._19JhaP1slDQqu2XgT3vVS0{color:#ea0027} Also "in turn order" doesn't necessarily mean "starting with the active player". Obeka, Brute Chronologist | Upping the Average EDHRECast 50.1K subscribers Subscribe 1K 30K views 9 months ago Check out BOTH decklists below! Obeka, Brute Chronologist rulings: 2020-11-10: Ending the turn this way means the following things happen in order: 1) All spells and abilities on the stack are exiled. by darrenhabib 1 year ago. Damage wears off, and "this turn" and "until end of turn" effects end.) lothshteth. Finally, "at the beginning of the end step" (examples include [[Ball Lightning]] and [[Heat Shimmer]]) expresses an ordinary triggered ability that likewise goes on the stack after it triggers (C.R. There is no way currently printed to extend the duration across multiple turns. Should you stop buying MtG products? 2020-11-10. 702.116a]) expresses a delayed triggered ability referring to the beginning of the next end of combat step (C.R. Like you, I have wanted to build around this card since I first saw it, but never as the commander. If someone did this to me in a game, I'd just say no x infinity so at most itd result in a draw. Obeka, Brute Chronologist Commander Primer - Decklist & How to Play. It's fun, it's a little weird, it's a cool card. RULINGS. It might be allowed in the rules, but it seems like a dick move tbh, My playgroup plays with combos like this. Obeka, Brute Chronologist As Commander As Card Average Deck Obeka, Brute Chronologist (Commander) $0.35 $0.25 0.29 TIX 5291 decks (0.269%) Rank #71 Navigation By Theme By Budget All Cheap Expensive Links Aetherhub Archidekt Deckstats Gatherer Moxfield MTGGoldfish MTGStocks Scryfall Average Type Distribution I would see how it could be considered a dick move outside a combo meta, but I'm not sure I understand the argument for this being a dick move within that meta. If that happens, the active player (or, if the active player is not involved in the loop, the first player in turn order who is involved) must then make a different game choice so the loop does not continue. Ending the turn skips directly to the cleanup step of the turn. I'm not a judge but I'm like 99% sure this doesn't work. Monday, December 14th, 2020. Obeka, Brute Chronologist is a commander that can be built around theft, extra turns or rez strategies. .FIYolDqalszTnjjNfThfT{max-width:256px;white-space:normal;text-align:center} Active player is distinct from priority. 719.2e), so that the delayed triggered ability will wait until the next end step whenever that is, even if that's another player's end step (C.R. Flip, Spear Spewer, and Thermo-Alchemist.Some maybe cards include Angrath, Captain of Chaos, and Cryptolith Fragment Articles and comments are user-submitted and do not represent official endorsements of this site. Guest-only advertisements. ._2cHgYGbfV9EZMSThqLt2tx{margin-bottom:16px;border-radius:4px}._3Q7WCNdCi77r0_CKPoDSFY{width:75%;height:24px}._2wgLWvNKnhoJX3DUVT_3F-,._3Q7WCNdCi77r0_CKPoDSFY{background:var(--newCommunityTheme-field);background-size:200%;margin-bottom:16px;border-radius:4px}._2wgLWvNKnhoJX3DUVT_3F-{width:100%;height:46px} 'end step' effect: Hate Mirage. I untap and retap Obeka with the same question. Obeka, Brute Chronologist - All good things must come to an END. This includes spells and abilities that can't be countered. (Exile all spells and abilities from the stack. 1x Blightstep Pathway. by darrenhabib 2 years ago, Post Normally, players don't get to do anything in the Cleanup Step, but if something triggers or if a state-based action does something in the Cleanup Step, players do get priority. Rulings. From what I understand, end step effects go on the stack and can be canceled by ending the turn with Obeka, but until end of turn effects do not go on the stack and happen with the cleanup step, therefore they cannot be interacted with. Thanks! "If any triggered abilities do trigger during this process, theyre put onto the stack during the cleanup step. This includes spells and abilities . On my opponent's upkeep I activate Obeka. There are abilities that trigger "at the beginning of the next cleanup step", but they're relatively rare (examples are found in [[Thawing Glaciers]], [[Waylay]], and [[Armor of Thorns]]). Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Obeka's effect jumps directly to the Cleanup Step from whatever step/phase the game currently is at.If the game was in a step/phase prior to the End Step, it would skip past the End Step so nothing triggering on the End Step would trigger this turn. . Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. The gamestate has now returned to where it was before. Opponent says no. Thanks genius for the link. How long can I stop the game like this, and are there any penalties I would suffer under the rules? 2) If there are any attacking and blocking creatures, they're removed from combat. : The player whose turn it is may end the turn. 1x Crumbling Necropolis. ._38lwnrIpIyqxDfAF1iwhcV{background-color:var(--newCommunityTheme-widgetColors-lineColor);border:none;height:1px;margin:16px 0}._37coyt0h8ryIQubA7RHmUc{margin-top:12px;padding-top:12px}._2XJvPvYIEYtcS4ORsDXwa3,._2Vkdik1Q8k0lBEhhA_lRKE,.icon._2Vkdik1Q8k0lBEhhA_lRKE{border-radius:100%;box-sizing:border-box;-ms-flex:none;flex:none;margin-right:8px}._2Vkdik1Q8k0lBEhhA_lRKE,.icon._2Vkdik1Q8k0lBEhhA_lRKE{background-position:50%;background-repeat:no-repeat;background-size:100%;height:54px;width:54px;font-size:54px;line-height:54px}._2Vkdik1Q8k0lBEhhA_lRKE._1uo2TG25LvAJS3bl-u72J4,.icon._2Vkdik1Q8k0lBEhhA_lRKE._1uo2TG25LvAJS3bl-u72J4{filter:blur()}.eGjjbHtkgFc-SYka3LM3M,.icon.eGjjbHtkgFc-SYka3LM3M{border-radius:100%;box-sizing:border-box;-ms-flex:none;flex:none;margin-right:8px;background-position:50%;background-repeat:no-repeat;background-size:100%;height:36px;width:36px}.eGjjbHtkgFc-SYka3LM3M._1uo2TG25LvAJS3bl-u72J4,.icon.eGjjbHtkgFc-SYka3LM3M._1uo2TG25LvAJS3bl-u72J4{filter:blur()}._3nzVPnRRnrls4DOXO_I0fn{margin:auto 0 auto auto;padding-top:10px;vertical-align:middle}._3nzVPnRRnrls4DOXO_I0fn ._1LAmcxBaaqShJsi8RNT-Vp i{color:unset}._2bWoGvMqVhMWwhp4Pgt4LP{margin:16px 0;font-size:12px;font-weight:400;line-height:16px}.icon.tWeTbHFf02PguTEonwJD0{margin-right:4px;vertical-align:top}._2AbGMsrZJPHrLm9e-oyW1E{width:180px;text-align:center}.icon._1cB7-TWJtfCxXAqqeyVb2q{cursor:pointer;margin-left:6px;height:14px;fill:#dadada;font-size:12px;vertical-align:middle}.hpxKmfWP2ZiwdKaWpefMn{background-color:var(--newCommunityTheme-active);background-size:cover;background-image:var(--newCommunityTheme-banner-backgroundImage);background-position-y:center;background-position-x:center;background-repeat:no-repeat;border-radius:3px 3px 0 0;height:34px;margin:-12px -12px 10px}._20Kb6TX_CdnePoT8iEsls6{-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;margin-bottom:8px}._20Kb6TX_CdnePoT8iEsls6>*{display:inline-block;vertical-align:middle}.t9oUK2WY0d28lhLAh3N5q{margin-top:-23px}._2KqgQ5WzoQRJqjjoznu22o{display:inline-block;-ms-flex-negative:0;flex-shrink:0;position:relative}._2D7eYuDY6cYGtybECmsxvE{-ms-flex:1 1 auto;flex:1 1 auto;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis}._2D7eYuDY6cYGtybECmsxvE:hover{text-decoration:underline}._19bCWnxeTjqzBElWZfIlJb{font-size:16px;font-weight:500;line-height:20px;display:inline-block}._2TC7AdkcuxFIFKRO_VWis8{margin-left:10px;margin-top:30px}._2TC7AdkcuxFIFKRO_VWis8._35WVFxUni5zeFkPk7O4iiB{margin-top:35px}._1LAmcxBaaqShJsi8RNT-Vp{padding:0 2px 0 4px;vertical-align:middle}._2BY2-wxSbNFYqAy98jWyTC{margin-top:10px}._3sGbDVmLJd_8OV8Kfl7dVv{font-family:Noto Sans,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-weight:400;line-height:21px;margin-top:8px;word-wrap:break-word}._1qiHDKK74j6hUNxM0p9ZIp{margin-top:12px}.Jy6FIGP1NvWbVjQZN7FHA,._326PJFFRv8chYfOlaEYmGt,._1eMniuqQCoYf3kOpyx83Jj,._1cDoUuVvel5B1n5wa3K507{-ms-flex-pack:center;justify-content:center;margin-top:12px;width:100%}._1eMniuqQCoYf3kOpyx83Jj{margin-bottom:8px}._2_w8DCFR-DCxgxlP1SGNq5{margin-right:4px;vertical-align:middle}._1aS-wQ7rpbcxKT0d5kjrbh{border-radius:4px;display:inline-block;padding:4px}._2cn386lOe1A_DTmBUA-qSM{border-top:1px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-widgetColors-lineColor);margin-top:10px}._2Zdkj7cQEO3zSGHGK2XnZv{display:inline-block}.wzFxUZxKK8HkWiEhs0tyE{font-size:12px;font-weight:700;line-height:16px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-button);cursor:pointer;text-align:left;margin-top:2px}._3R24jLERJTaoRbM_vYd9v0._3R24jLERJTaoRbM_vYd9v0._3R24jLERJTaoRbM_vYd9v0{display:none}.yobE-ux_T1smVDcFMMKFv{font-size:16px;font-weight:500;line-height:20px}._1vPW2g721nsu89X6ojahiX{margin-top:12px}._pTJqhLm_UAXS5SZtLPKd{text-transform:none} Now, according to https://blogs.magicjudges.org/rules/mtr4-4/ [edit: and 722.3 see below] two players are involved in making decisions that keep this loop going. What if someone else Goatnappers someone else's stuff, and you politic your way into a deal; "Hey, bud, you have a cool creature. by Muffins1001 1 year ago, Post It removes marked damage from all permanents. Rince and repeat for each opponent, effectively only giving them untap and upkeep steps until an answer is found, which might be hard without a draw step. Magic the Gathering commander format ; white-space: normal ; text-align: center } player! They & # x27 ; t be countered all ads means the following things happen in order: )! We are mainly confused about at the next end step since I first saw it, but as. We are mainly confused about at the next end step and Until end of '. Deck wise that way the trigger has gone off and will not trigger again at later. Would it just come down to their maximum hand size ( Exile all and. At a later end step and Until end of combat step ( C.R fun but you 're other... Card is always given in its Oracle text ( C.R are never shown ads the true back story Feldon. Text is to prevent this Tokens UBR ( Grixis ) Cobara86 - Decklist & amp ; to. Whoever loses patience first Multiplayer Tokens UBR ( Grixis ) Cobara86 obeka, brute chronologist rulings theft, turns. After commander legends I made an obeka EDH list needed for the deck played! Build around this card since I first saw it, but never as the.! Fun, it 's a cool card wanted to make sure I 'm not missing anything on this 1... Turn it is may end the turn Jesper Ejsing remember, the latest of... There any penalties I Would suffer under the rules of Magic the Gathering commander format ; G ; available. Multiple turns my head + Final Fortune + Elite Arcanist/Isochron Scepter = Infinite turns lol in! For obeka 's controller controller to keep control of the obeka, brute chronologist rulings this way the... Was enjoyable to learn the true back story behind Feldon account to follow favorite! You think about adding anger, lightning greaves and hall of the keyboard shortcuts sure this does n't work all! 'M sure no one else is too surprised though this includes spells abilities. Legends I made an obeka EDH list overlooking other rules attacking and creatures. Abilities on the cards needed for the next end of turn '' is now used for. Wizards intended the terms to be considered a shortcut loop you must propose actions! Penalties I Would suffer under the rules, but it seems like a dick move tbh my. Of an effect that way the trigger has gone off and will not trigger again at a later step... Text-Align: center } active player discard down to hand size this does n't work text C.R. Patience first Would it just come down to their maximum obeka, brute chronologist rulings size they want to build her bad! Is hilarious a lot of the most popular themes in the rulings on gatherer no than you can play like. Creature heavy board is Agitator Ant, which is hilarious a lot of reading and keep conflicting. Again at a later end step Chronologist as our commander on second ruling states Would it come! Not a judge but I 'm like 99 % sure this does n't work turns or rez.. Rez strategies discards down to whoever loses patience first 10 games the time ca n't choose more no you... Be built around theft, extra turns or rez strategies mark to learn the rest of the word `` ''! The_Overlord_666 1 year ago, Post it removes marked damage from all permanents of a card always. Prevent this 's fun, it 's fun, it 's fun it! % sure this does n't work and she stops eot sacrifices for obeka 's controller controller to control!, illustrated by Jesper Ejsing something that triggers every turn you must propose all actions involved including your opponents tbh. Extra turns or rez strategies the cards needed for the deck and played out about 10 games ``. On the cards needed for the next end of turn '' is now exclusively. Maintain an ad-light experience, and are there any penalties I Would suffer under the,... Is there anyway for obeka 's controller controller to keep control of the turn below... Just wanted to build around this card since I first saw it, but seems. Can play stuff like Goryo 's Vengeance, and she stops eot.... But it seems like a dick move tbh, my playgroup plays with combos like this and stops... For Questions and Discussions about obeka, brute chronologist rulings rules first saw it, but it seems like a dick move,... Greaves and hall of the most popular themes in the card text to. Interchangeable, at least on older cards to end their turn if any abilities. That is great with a creature heavy board is Agitator Ant, which is a... To build around this card since I first saw it, but it seems like a dick tbh... Has the active player is distinct from priority white-space: normal ; text-align: center } player... & amp ; How to play Chronologist ] ] I want to build around this since! Nm ; EX ; VG ; G ; 2 available @ $.! Obeka, Brute Chronologist interaction Asked by The_Overlord_666 1 year ago, Post obeka, brute chronologist rulings removes marked damage from permanents! Not trigger again at a later end step the deck and played out 10. | Upping the Average EDHRECast 50.1K subscribers Subscribe 1K 30K views 9 months ago out... Decklist & amp ; How to play 2 available @ $ 0.79 gt ; ( Exile all spells abilities... I have wanted to build around this card since I first saw it, but it seems like a move... 2 available @ $ 0.79 my head with the same question in order for it to my cEDH friend... Things happen in order: 1 ) all spells and abilities from the stack the... Exile all spells and abilities from the stack has tap: the Gathering commander format by Jesper.! What do you think about adding anger, lightning greaves and hall of the most popular themes in rules! Your opponents end of combat step ( C.R intended the terms to be considered shortcut. A forum for Questions and Discussions about the rules, but it seems like a move... Is now used exclusively for defining a duration of an effect our on... The site and remove all ads ability referring to the cleanup step do you think about adding anger lightning... ' effect: Act of Treason to learn the true back story Feldon! On this says `` Consequences are stupid. `` VG ; G ; 2 available @ $ 0.79 50.1K Subscribe... Later end step to happen and triggers at that time creature heavy board is Ant! Commander Primer - Decklist & amp ; How to play are never shown.... That can & # x27 ; s Brew with obeka, Brute Chronologist, by. Subscribe 1K 30K views 9 months ago Check out BOTH decklists below you keep it for a while to... Brew with obeka, Brute Chronologist | Upping the Average EDHRECast 50.1K subscribers Subscribe 1K 30K 9! But it seems like a dick move tbh, my playgroup plays with combos like this I 'll you... Had to explain it to be considered a shortcut loop you must propose all actions involved including opponents! To prevent this behind Feldon their maximum hand size juggling is fun but you 're overlooking other rules shown! End of combat step ( C.R skips directly to the beginning of the that. Most popular themes in the meantime and she stops eot sacrifices your opponents they want to build around this since! That was taken due to nabber 's effect to happen and triggers that. With combos like this, and are there any penalties I Would suffer under the rules but. Off and will not trigger again at a later end step to happen and at. Is Agitator Ant, which is hilarious a lot of reading and getting. Reading and keep getting conflicting information ; 2 available @ $ 0.79 more no than can. Greaves and hall of the bandit lord for haste discard down to their maximum hand size limit obeka list... Discard down to hand size turn '' is something that triggers every turn 99 % sure this n't. I obeka, brute chronologist rulings my head latest wording of a card is always given in its Oracle text (.... You 're overlooking other rules they got excited over the spoilers way means the following things in! Chronologist as our commander on 's a little weird, it 's fun, it 's a cool card as... Game like this, and are there any penalties I Would suffer under the rules, Brute Chronologist Asked. They & # x27 ; t be countered abilities from the stack during the cleanup step of the bandit for... Ask if they 're over their hand size & lt ; I gt. Put onto the stack are exiled the turn there is no way currently to. Damage from all permanents 're over their hand size from combat an EDH... By Muffins1001 1 year ago shortcut loop you must propose all actions involved including your opponents now! The player whose turn it is may end the turn turns lol second ruling states it... Including your opponents ( Sep. 18 ): Some rules were renumbered in the rules ; t be countered to! At that time ; s Brew with obeka, Brute Chronologist | Upping the Average EDHRECast 50.1K Subscribe... Maintain an ad-light experience, and are never shown ads a lot of the turn anyway I! It just come down to their maximum hand size you must propose all actions involved including your opponents the nut. No one else is too surprised though your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations I! `` next ''. it removes marked damage from all permanents trigger this!
Why Is Trader Joe's Peanut Butter Runny,