ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. If you did not realize the design is dangerous, you would not have spent so much time belaboring the obvious. That carries over to shooting, believe it or not. Now try looking up punctuation. I would consider the weapon fully loaded at this point. Being an *untrained* klutz is something entirely different. If carry my Glock its in a solid Crossbreed holster with one in the chamber. Good username though. Here's video that GLOCK produced that explains the trigger safety. U.S. In non service activities, all occurred either nearly cheek to cheek, face to face, or less than 3 ft. when chit went south, and it happens so fast, Id bet few if any pro operators could rack then stack em On Amazon, they run about $35 just sans the NRA stamped door. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p28yT3Z3oj8&t=7347s Yes. Actually I carry a revolver, which is 1000% better at typical bad breath self defense ranges than an AR and 100% better than a semi-auto pistol that will get pushed out of battery on a contact shot. 1) either way you do it it takes Training, 2) ya silly ass might forget to flip the safety an fire so there is you 3 seconds, 3) the bullet may not fire, in which case you have to chamber anyway. A forum community dedicated to Glock Pistol owners and enthusiasts. Do not get me wrong here as training is vital, that said the real problem is you cant cure stupid, Murphy, or brain farts! Unlikely. Not a bad plan. When the time comes that you actually need your carry weapon things are going to happen really fast. and you can have a hammer strap optioned for anything with a hammer except dao. One of the interesting things about that is I can (after clearing) dry fire repeatedly and get a rough visual about how much the aim point moves depending on my grip and finger position. And in my opinion , and this would be scary, Id bet my draw and cock against the draw rack the slide anytime. Modern revolvers with some sort of disconnect can be carried full up. I always wanted to see in a western someone who knew he was about to get into a gunfight slip that 6th round into his Colt SAA. It should stay the way it is. . /sarc off/. I do not carry a Glock and sorry 1911 fanatics I would only carry a 1911 with the hammer down (series 80) and chamber empty with a Series 70 and since I do not like to carry any gun with the chamber empty that is why I do not carry any longer my series 70 and pre-series 70 (original 1911) . While numbers vary, reacting to something - anything - takes a . The Baltimore Police Department, Los Angeles Police Department, Miami Police Department, and Maryland State Police are all known to utilize the Glock handgun. Run what you brung. If the trigger safety is not . For 1911s, the danger is similar if you carry hammer down on a loaded chamber though I dont know why any somewhat intelligent person would do so. DA/SA make the most sense to me. There we go. Much the less wish to discuss the merits of hammer mounted versus frame mounted firing pins, or the S&W design of using a rebound slide instead (my favorite design). Hes squirmy and all over the place. The Glock series of semi-automatic pistols features Glock's Safe Action System and a loaded chamber indicator.The Safe Action System comprises three passive safeties. Unfortunately, some may not and I have no idea which do and which do not. Absolutely YES!! But it used to work fine, a year or so before that. Did dad work for a local Florida PD not to be named? If you don't just pick ONE, then IMO you are always going to wonder if you're chambered or no. Always eith one in the chamber, hammer down and safety off. It completely wraps the pistol in hard plastic so there is no chance of anything flexing into the trigger guard. Go get a titanium firing pin. Every day. If all you do at the range is stand there at the bench, pick up your gun, lock the slide, insert the magazine, and press the slide stop to send the slide forward, then get on target to shoot, you're not training yourself right. this aint Dodge city and you aint Bill Hickok Blam, Blam,Blam! Carry without one in the pipe for a while to get used to it. But thats good. As for me on striker fired Im sure they are just as safe as any other design I just like to see whats going on, . Considering how many types of expanding ammo my plethora of 1911s did not work very well with I gave up on them long ago. I carry "Mexican" and don't want to end up like Plaxico Burress. How often do you train your driving abilities? Victoria: They do have a half cock notch that you could use to carry on a loaded chamber, but theres a reason they say, Dont go off half-cocked. Like: condition 2 (good choice for a DA/SA autoloader), condition 1 (if your chosen piece has a manual safety), and etc. They are: Glocks are completely drop-safe and are one of the safest pistols you can carry. When I go out without my kids I rack the slide. If soft iwb holster freaks you out then get a nice, quality leather or kydex holster. A un-chambered carry gun is useless. This means that if the hammer is carried down on a live round, the firing pin will still not be able to touch the primer, even though the hammer is sitting right down on the pin. No thanks. On one of those occurances, my snubbie bbl. Many competition shooters boast about having it done to their race gun. For me I often carry without one in the chamber, like when I am in the woods doing stuff. Two motions will always be quicker than four, unless one can somehow arrange to do all four simultaneously. Do u know what the 21 foot rule is? The innovative design of the hybrid steel-polymer slide chambered in our first .22 caliber round provides a lightweight and low recoil functionality for optimal control. To each their own, and god speed, The first gunm I packed was a SA .22 with a half cock safety and I loaded all the holes, then I went DA but cocked it most of the time.so I got in a habit of cocking the hammers Then I went to auto pistols and just never did trust that hammer sticking up so I carry them with one in the chamber on half cock. See? Fat troll. That photo of the safe is cute, if completely patronizing to those who make the kids argument. If anybody could advise me, I'd be grateful. It can also affect the speed at which the weapon fires. It's a little bullet with a decent velocity, but will it actually fill the freezer? I asked administrator. And my Ruger .357. Amen! Theoretically, the slide safety could be accidentally disengaged in your holster rendering a cocked and locked 1911 significantly more susceptible to a ND when drawn given the user didnt know the safety was disengaged. Heres a news flash, ever since Adam and Eve ate the serpents apple were all fallible. Thats why the old timers carried them on an empty chamber. I like having a gun ready to shoot but I need a second chance when Im juggling. On a range or match gun, OFC, my choice is different. I got to 8 feet off the floor and a Series-70-style 1911 clone would not ignite the primer. The Glock take down system is an accident waiting to happen and happen it does all the time. An empty chamber is worthless when you need it and fractions of a second count. But in any case, the inertia must lie directly in line with the round, and then the round must stop suddenly, like when the muzzle hits the ground. Even some shotguns will do that. How to Store Home Defense Weapons - USA Carry Its common for someone to quickly raise a gun and try to shoot, just to realize the safety was in the on position keeping it from working. What an idiot libtard if you have a gun you get good at handling it stay with your BB gun, Mad says, What an idiot libtard if you have a gun you get good at handling it stay with your BB gun. Pray the gay away gov. Are Glocks Safe To Carry Chambered - Intelligent Search Pro If gravity provides the inertia instead of the firearm, then the problem wont arise unless the gun is moving towards the ground, and then stops. Situational risk assessment. It has a safety, but I dont really care about that. Eventually, revolver designs changed. I never carried a gun before my G27. Say, if you can make that mistake (and you did), are you willing to admit that maybe, just possibly, youve mad other mistakes? Fuck off gov. Israeli special forces dont empty chamber carry. Anyone who believes otherwise is delusional. While millions of Americans keep and/or bear GLOCKs and GLOCK-like striker-fired pistols without mishap, mishaps do sometimes occur.Let's face it: the average gun owner has lousy trigger discipline. The claim is that because Glocks have no safety and a super light trigger, they accidentally shoot people. But that would be true for almost ANY gun that didnt have a manual safety engaged. The M&P Shield is a popular and commonplace pistol for concealed carry. the first two rules of safe gun handling are Dont touch the trigger until you are ready to shoot, and dont point it at anything you dont want to destroy. He thinks. What you are overlooking is the odds. Glock dominates the handgun market in both the United States and around the globe. And its nowhere near so light a trigger pull that you could just bump it and it fires. Literally has nothing to do with firearm safety. Some might even have second strike capability, which is the real holy grail. They like it this way. If you are a dumb person who cannot immediately see why it is dumb, go to Youtube and watch dumb people like you dying in a hail of bullets while they struggle with the slides on their unchambered guns. Only ONE centerfire pistol? Any striker fired pistol that doesnt incorporate some type of manual safety has the same chance of a ND as a Glock. None of those things make any difference at all. You carry your way and Ill carry mine. Between the trigger safety, the firing pin safety and the drop safety I feel very comfortable carrying it chambered. The Glock 43 is VERY close in size to the Glock 42, but chambered for that 9mm cartridge some people demand - or at least don't frown on like they do the .380ACP. Ugggghhhhhh why are we still talking about this? Im still a believer of an empty gun is just a club. I also felt the same way. The best line of all time is Dirty Harrys. As stated above, Glocks are safe. If you cant respect the power and danger of an automobile why would you think you could be trusted with a firearm at all let alone one without a safety? First much like the Israelis Fairbairn and Sykes had to teach officers how to carry safely in a manner that got them street-ready quickly. The LC9s can not be fired in any other way accidently unless the trigger is deliberately pulled. Answer (1 of 30): The main reason to carry, is self defense. Yeah, me too. All that said, training, knowledge of your firearms design/function, and practice go a long way to make any firearm safe to carry with a round chambered though some designs are better for a particular purpose. I carry locked, loaded with a extra clip close by. One was carrying a single action revolver without a transfer bar safety in a holster, and one under the hammer. Modern revolvers (Smith & Wesson, Taurus, Ruger, Kimber) have transfer bar safeties and as such theres no need to mention it.. #5. Yet, most of us will also admit that we sometimes make mistakes while driving, despite all the practice/training. Its an unsafe design from 2 aspects, the fact that it acts much like a single action weapon with the hammer cocked back and no manual safety and it has a totally unsafe asinine take down system. There is no doubt about it. Each new design enhanced the pistol and its features. Hell you pour sand down MY ass crack and I'll jam up and and fail to extract Ive carried different glocks with a round chambered in iwb/owb holsters and never had a problem with it. In my 3-screw, yes. I cant believe this is even a subject for discussion. At least the DA/SA or DAO provide a long hard trigger pull. The trick is training is to do the right thing; doing the wrong thing is still training, just training the do the wrong thing. Certified Glock Armorer, Colt Armorer, FN Armorer, Beretta Armorer, Smith and Wesson revolvers Armorer. The overall size of this firearm is much smaller and that shows with a barrel length of 3.43 inches and a slide length of 6.26 inches. On Firefox for my Linux machine it even goes right to the place on the page I was when I saved. Sometimes I ask a question. It wont matter if the slide is in battery or not. The Glock 17 is a full-size pistol that is chambered in 9mm. I have kids, but they have been taught that if it can go bang assume it will if the trigger is touched. There are no Glock negligent discharges *without* the word *negligent* in the incident description. Glock came up with this and called it the 'Glock Safe Action Trigger'. A GLOCK does not have an external manual safety. The Glock trigger is too light and too short to be safe. Much longer than a Glock, twice as heavy as a Glock. My Glock 23 is fully loaded, and no problems at all, even with the 3.5 connector in it that lightens the trigger pull a bit. Kaboom he shot himself as he sat there at the dinner table. Have you ever negligently failed to check your blind spot and cut someone off on the freeway? So when does your Glock actually have a likely chance of discharging in those two most common klutz behaviors while handling a firearm? Not carrying a round in the chamber does indeed provide you a 100% chance of not having the gun go off in the holster. One other one was very tragic. but Glocks are safe to carry. I keep hearing the words with proper training, like that is the Holy Grail! Granted, is loading a pistol, a shotgun or a rifle the most complicated thing in the world? Can You Shoot Aluminum Cased Ammunition In A Glock? Understanding The Are Glocks Safe To Carry Chambered - Todd Lyons All except for that one guy above who thinks muscle memory means hell never make a mistake, ever. Furthermore, every person I know or have talked to who does have a single-action revolver Rough Rider, Blackhawk or a replica has other guns that they use for those roles. NO - any responsible gun owner should have some reservation until enough information has been provided. As the saying goes, you do you. Few indeed even care about SA revolvers anymore, or even know they exist, or care about the firing mechanism. I home carry, but as far as pistol lockboxes go, I recommend the Fort Knox (top opening lid) and the Sentry Safe with biometric lock (also has a key and keypad). "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." I really would like to know if theres a response to my comments. LC9s safe to carry with round in chamber | RugerForum.com My opinion. This is an older thread, you may not receive a response, and could be reviving an old thread. That scenario is at least as plausible as a robbery. Its part of being human. Does the Glock fire then? https://patents.google.com/patent/US5724759A/en. The 1911 has a grip safety as well as a thumb safety. All terrific replies. This is why. Please note Im not saying glock = bad. I would like to carry at the ready, but doing so really gives me the heebie-jeebies. always, just got the g23 and after the range it'll be in the rotation with the sigs. Just do what you are comfortable/confident with and what is best for your individual personal situation. Folks, a GLOCK (or any other striker-fired pistol) is perfectly safe with a little intelligence combined with a bit of assiduity. Even though they don't have . Please consider creating a . Which glocks are the best for concealed carry? - Police1 It still works now, so long as the comment page is more than three years old. From someone that ignorant, nothing he says or does would surprise me. Sykes wrote their highly influential book, " Shooting To Live," based on their experiences with the Shanghai Police Department. A forum community dedicated to Glock firearm owners and enthusiasts. Over at gunssavelives.net, Dan Cannon has unearthed the SAFE-DRAW system for GLOCK brand GLOCK pistols.SAFE-DRAW gives the Austrian-born pistol an initial 17 pound trigger pull. A admit, these days are different a 3 grand safe, that folks have to go look up the damn combo to, or wake up with a shadow looking at them in a dark bedroom and try to get to a box hopefully in reach without getting halfway up out of bed. My AR is half loaded with the mag in but unchambered. My wife carries her Beretta 92 loaded with the hammer down and the safety off so all she has to do is draw and fire; first shot DA and the rest SA. The S&W EZ has a grip safety and a good trigger pull. However, it is not unusual for some new to guns like Glocks to be concerned about carrying a round chambered. I carried a 1911 for awhile and the duty holsters made for 1911s have the retaining strap that goes across the back of slide, which also blocks the hammer from firing pin. Usually I just get to see Colt SAAs with 16 chamber cylinders. Wouldnt it be actually quicker to rack the slide than to retrieve your weapon from a locked box? If I was gona carry an empty gun Id carry a full sized 1911, that way if I had to throw it at somebody it would weigh enough to hurt when it him them. Cruiser ready generally refers to a gun that has a loaded magazine but an empty chamber. Sub-one second times, under stress are the norm when properly trained. Thats a bunch of bologna written by writers who know nothing about guns. Nov 11, 2010 (Edited) Dingus said: To gain confidence, do this: Take your G19 and holster to the range. Sounds a lot like a problem created by attorneys to have something to sue over, doesnt it? That was back in the 1970s somewhere. No kids at home anymore so no worry there. That connected to the trigger, which only dropped out of the way when the trigger was fully pressed. Several years ago I read an article (I think it was Masaad Ayoob) detailing about a half dozen cases were cops had their guns taken away from them by perps and the perps couldnt figure out how to manipulate the safeties, saving the cops lives. I find myself walking around with my hips thrust foward, flinching away from the gun. If you are so scared of a striker fired trigger, then why not get a hammer fired gun? This subject is DOA just like the OP. 7 Great Holsters for Glocks :: Guns.com Practice holstering and unholstering without a round and see if the trigger is pulled. It seems that as long as the trigger is not manipulated the pistol will not fire. How often are you a klutz when driving a car? Lets talk about the internal safety features and the facts of why Glocks are great handguns.Jordy Bucks well worn Glock 20 is carried daily. Israeli Carry? - Creedmoor Training Academy, LLC. Im so glad to have seen the one person who never makes a mistake! So that argument is irrelevant. The round wouldnt even need to be in a chamber at all. The Israelis do it, and I do too. Descriptions: Glocks are safe to carry with a loaded chamber as long as they are carried in a decent holster that completely covers the trigger. i carry mostly to counter the mass shooting incident the type of which where afterward everybody says if there had only been a good guy with a gun and i will more likely than not have time to draw the weapon and charge it while i get my ooda loop going. Many firearms enthusiasts and experts consider it to be the most effective and efficient way to carry a handgun for self-defense. The gun itself Cannot be rendered safe without the chamber being empty. I want something that goes bang when I pull the trigger, and I could care less how heavy or gritty that might be. They make it look soooo easy in the movies! israeli carry is stupid. I am sure you will tell us that since you are a stable genius it will never happen to you. . KAER adhere to the business philosophy of customer first, service first, quality first, and provide our customers with high-quality products and perfect service.. We are a professional manufacturer dedicated to the production of gun safes, safe box, pistol safe and other security products. Safety rule number 1 a gun is always loaded. Hire someone who did it on other blogs. Are Glock Pistols Safe? - YouTube Wait a second, so youre telling me that I shouldnt keep my home defense gun in condition 3 but instead have it in condition 1 and put it in a lock box? Glocks can be dangerous When they tumble and fall and the natural instinct is to catch. The general answer is most certainly yes however there are a few considerations. I thought I counted 17 in the battle scene in Open Range. A safety is much easier to manipulate than a slide though. Try it. The safety either keeps the trigger from being pulled or blocks the cartridge from being struck by the firing pin so it cant go off. But that would mean giving up my beloved 1911! Jordan Buck is an outdoor writer, a man of faith, and a family man. If the pin has enough mass, it will fire the round, chambered or not, hammer blocked or not, trigger pulled or not, out-of-battery safeties, etc. . Actually, I only did that for about ten minutes before retreating to a men's room, unchambering the round, and putting the gun back in its holster with a full mag but empty chamber. Lets face cold hard facts the more chances you take the more likely you will run out of luck, usually much sooner than later. . At Incognito Concealment, we're confident we have the right holster for you. Stop buying Glocks. Well, now, lets analyze this a bit deeper, shall we? Thank you very much. All previous exp., was with 1911s my Uncle names Sam loaded me, and the pipe was always warm n cuddly. . Unfortunately, the safety is on the wrong side of the slide for me so I dont use it. Normally, empty chamber carry adds an average of maybe 2/10ths of a second. The most common objection was something is better than nothing (or words to that effect). When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. We were assured that; were working on it. They DID make a variant with one (the Colt Cowboy) but they dont offer it anymore and the SAA is sold sans transfer bar. This would require the grip safety to be disabled (a somewhat common modification) or to malfunction. OthersI just didnt think about and for some pretty good reasons. (I dont think any of us are going to try to pocket carry a 1911 or a Glock 17.). A typing error, or wishful thinking? The engineer who designed a take down system whereby the slide has to be forward and you have to pull the trigger must have on that day tripped out on LSD. Carrying a Glock loaded concealed vs unloaded | Firearms Talk Mad about covers it. This makes it about five ounces lighter than another popular 9mm Luger gun, the Glock 19. Correct. I really, really wish the powers that be could find someone to get this comment section to work right. The reason that the Israelis carry with an empty chamber is because Israel does not have a concept of self defense. Just the easier reloading of the old Ruger 3 screw models (or any other regular types like the Colt SAA) vs the new ones, makes up for that one extra round, at least IMO. Is it a lot of work to train to the level where you never get it wrong? Thank you very much. As in mentally deranged. This is not remotely comparable to carrying a semiauto with an empty chamber, where the slide must be racked to make the gun ready to fire. - I'm too old to still think I know everything. I have no worries about the gun going off when holstering it or even worse going off by itself while in the holster as many Glocks have done when a fold of the holster got snagged inside the trigger guard. . You should always carry with a round chambered. I carry my Jericho the same way. One of them is as you describe (a 3-screw Single Six). they took it so far, they had Glock make a special model Glock for them with a slightly stouter trigger spring. Time waits for no man, and neither do bad guys. the number of people out there who keep a single-action revolver as a home defense. Ive committed all those errors and I grew from them. Theres a problem with absolutism: youre proven wrong too easily. But, some want only one item to cover every base. A 16 year old In drivers ed may not be very experienced nor skilled, but at least in my day, was paying more attention than a driver more familiar with driving. Do Glocks Have A Safety? By: Joseph Kocik | Global Ordnance News If waking up to a noise or shadow, I want the piece in my hand as simply and easily as possible, meaning it lays in the headboard. 1; 2; Next. The full magazine has ten rounds, and the "+1" is the round that is in the chamber. (Take that, NYPD!) The Glock 19 is one of the most popular models of Glock that is available on the market. A true DAO trigger that has as much chance of going off in a pocket, or other ND, as a DA revolver does. Is It Safe To Carry A Round In the Chamber? Concealed Carry Everyday Like what would happen if the gun was dropped, and then lands on its muzzle. Not an appreciable amount of time. On paper? I usually carry chambered with a revolver or my .25 but the trigger on my new Glock 19 is so easy I am not yet comfortable carrying chambered because there is no manual safety. The idea is that a gun with cartridges in it but not having one in the chamber is close to being loaded and is therefore better than a completely unloaded gun. In my experience, here in MS, a great many people have a great many home defense firearms of various descriptions. I think five guns is the bare minimum, and thats how I always answer the one gun question. I would like to carry at the ready, but doing so really gives me the heebie-jeebies. Of course an ND is user error, but why is the gun designed to make that error likely? You hit the nail on the head with "comfortable", but that is subjective. Balancing Safety & Readiness: Carrying "Cocked and Locked?" SOME of these guns (Ruger, Rough Rider, IWI, Freedom Arms, Linebaugh) have transfer bar safeties and thus can be carried fully loaded. An old retired civil servant who used to clean toilets in a federal building living off a small pension and social security.
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