What influence have the badger groups over Bourne? As far as I know anyway.. That old shoulder injury is playing up again. Thanks for passing on this infomation. How many more cattle, llamas, pigs, sheep, cats, dogs, and humans have to suffer before action is taken to remove the reservoir of infection in the badgers? He allowed his personal prejudices to influence and taint his science. If you look at asthma or diabetes, these are really well self-managed conditions because people are empowered, but were not used to the concept of self-management of pain. It is a crisis which has despicably been allowed by default, to escalate out of control for years. When he compared the participants after 13 weeks, it came as no surprise that one in five on ibuprofen lost the equivalent of a unit of blood through internal bleeding. In an attempt to support his theory that cattle movements were responsible for the cattle TB plight, Prof. Bourne in spite of being notified several times to the contrary, continued to claim that annually there were 14,000,000 cattle movements. Snaring is similar to trapping but would have a higher welfare cost to the badger. WebI have badgers at one site and never had any problems from them and one entrance is 1 ft in front of a hive. environmental noise may be overcome. Dickson agrees that a difficult shift in the mindset of doctors and patients on how to use paracetamol and other painkillers is overdue. could raise various challenges. disease surveillance and compensation. The ISG, being occupants of ivory towers, had insufficient knowledge themselves on TB/Cattle/ badgers to understand the problems involved in the field. winter, it is hoped that the results of the Initially badger numbers were guesstimated from the evidence of badger activity, prior to the commencement of the trial. Many young badgers trapped had TB. Get insights on TheyWorkForYou and other mySociety sites, in our popular newsletter, Your donations keep this site and others like it running. The Wildlife and Countryside Link (WCL) has warned against numbers of social media users posting themselves with wildlife killing trophies. Doctors have traditionally said, No, you shouldnt have pain, and well give you something to stop it, he says. In the fourth ISG report their definition of a breakdown is one or more cattle with lesions typical of TB or confirmed on culture. other species is not yet easy to separate. Even at low doses NSAIDs can cause side effects, such as: headaches. Prof. Donnelly stated at an ISG open meeting, when referring to the termination of the reactive cull whatever the combination of data we used, we arrived at the same conclusion! All permanent herds-suckler cows and dairy herds should be tested at least every 2 years. Just have strong, well weighed down hives. This must involve culling the infected badgers over a large area; ideally, with the use of Polymerase chain reaction (PCRs) to identify infected setts. Lord Rooker has had the same abuse for having the nerve to suggest rightly - that Bourne extended his terms of reference! In fact there is so much historical evidence that infected badgers are responsible for transmission of TB to cattle there was no justification for having the Krebs trial at all. concerns about the DEFRA budget will There is already far too much testing of cattle in the hot spots. indications are that there are badgers Paracetamol rose to prominence during the 1960s in the wake of fears that aspirin and other non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) such as ibuprofen could cause gastric bleeding, ulcers and other serious side-effects. bleeding. may be effective for herds that are During the next three Carbon monoxide severely damages the blood of the victim. Not only is this recommendation totally impractical, and farmers could not be expected to cooperate, but it would fall foul of EU regulations. Your back aches from another day hunched over a keyboard. When it has been peer reviewed, it will have no credibility. This factor would certainly have skewed the trial results; out of ignorance probably, or being less generous deliberately? Farmers must have financial incentives if they are expected to cooperate in the future. Removing them from an What we have to get across to people is that pain itself isnt doing any harm, its not something you can cure and sometimes it makes sense not to take anything. tigger1946@fsmail.net, www.indymedia.org It is inevitable that these badgers, if not already infected will become infected with TB, putting at risk pets and humans alike. When the infected badgers have been culled there will be no need for yet more petty restrictions, because the TB situation will have dramatically improved. For most people, its a placebo, says Dickson. (A different culture media is required for bTB than for human TB). He is also aware that it is There has already been too much research- typically the Krebs trial which has only muddied the water. 04.11.2007 23:13 I, unlike Prof. Bourne, have no hidden agenda and no vested interests; my sole concern is for the deteriorating TB/cattle situation of my clients and others. This attitude must be abhorrent to all those who genuinely care for the environment. may be a good time to offer clarification It is regrettable, but research science, particularly if controversial, cannot and must not be taken at face value. developments are awaited. by filling in setts, road kill, rat poison, paracetamol, antifreeze and random. Some might even pass subsequent tuberculin tests, if they were not slaughtered. Shooting is labour intensive, involving anti social hours. You are using an out of date browser. One of Bournes minions- C. Cheeseman told farmers in 1997 and repeated in 2006 that to prevent badgers giving TB to their cattle they should get rid of their cattle! healthy cattle in a local area can be a in badgers using the polymerase chain where the pathogen is Webkilling badgers with paracetamol; killing badgers with paracetamol. According to Defra 40% of reactors have lesions. However, in spite of all its failings, it did confirm that infected badgers do transmit their TB to cattle. Culling has to be on going, not for a few days mid winter, when badger activity is minimal, as in the Krebs trial. Maize is their delicacy. sufficient to infect a bovine. Further examples include the cessation of investigating badger RTAs (road traffic accidents). Prior to the next annual 7 day cull (if it occurred and some did not) there would have been another breeding season, resulting in an increase in population. All the previous culls, which unlike the Krebs trial were all efficient, could not be technically classified as scientific trials, because they had no comparative controls. This is what occurred in the 1960s. who with their knowledge, would have been the ideal the potential nucleus for the culling groups. Reports that gassing setts is not on the agenda, if correct will result in any cull going off at half cock. WebParacetamol and peanut butter yep one way to kill the bastards It just demonstrates the ISGs ignorance. When whole social groups are taken out at a time, re-colonisation would occur within months. Its use should be confined to the bin, until the reservoir of infection has been removed. WebDisruption of badger communities. Recently, badgers have like foxes, become urbanised. These setts should be gassed with Carbon Dioxide , which is pumped /blown into the setts using dry ice as a fog from a machine Peasouper 389. sophisticated that Because, too little has been done in the past, it is probably too late to totally eliminate TB from our cattle population. It is widely viewed as cheap, safe and effective. Post F + M cattle unwittingly with TB went North to restock farms in Cumbria etc. Scientists do not have all the answers and most certainly Krebs doesnt. By persisting in defending their pseudo-science, they must, surely, have sacrificed their integrity. Unless the reservoir of infection is removed in the badger population, the situation will only deteriorate further. Defra in their wisdom have disbanded their Wild Life dept.- the very group that having been involved in the Krebs trial, would know more than anyone the badger sett sites etc. farming circles, produced by Enigma When under pressure Bourne, just like Bateson, from his critics he has asked his cronies to write references to support him. the following herds are kept up to date. It is right that any decision to cull must be based on sound science. Although the potentially fatal consequences of taking a paracetamol overdose are well known, the widespread belief has been that the drug is mild and relatively safe if taken at the recommended dose. 3. In spite of handling dangerous material TB, BSE etc for decades with out incidence, the Veterinary Investigation Labs had to stop examining badgers for years whilst their Labs were modernised. The Krebs trial was originally designed to have a series of triplets proactive, reactive and survey (control) regions. I was nave and accepted science at face value. The Minister is probably now aware Now farmers even know which end of the farm, or even a particular field, in which their cattle will become infected. GPs write millions of prescriptions for this painkiller each year and millions more packets are bought over the counter. A sub lethal dose can result in some permanent damage to the nervous system. for fear of ignition. WebIf youre taking anti-coagulant drugs to thin your blood, such as low-dose aspirin or warfarin, youre best to avoid taking other NSAIDs or compound painkillers. Infected setts should be identified using PCRs. What do you do? Badgers have to present themselves as suitable targets to be shot. EFRAC have despicably totally ignored the despairing farmers in the West Country who they interviewed. We have to learn to manage pain more proportionately. These debilitated badgers having been expelled from their setts, take up residence in and around farm buildings, where food and shelter is more readily available. Unless these badgers too are culled then the source of TB remains. The problem is that there are many soil Mycobacteria and Trapping details were even posted on the web. On average, M. bovis was detected in 15 per cent of badger carcasses ie around one in seven. | World, unessecery badger killing at erewash golfcourse The also like dry conditions to live in their setts - having a roof of concrete or road is ideal. Why was Bourne not confronted and challenged by this genuine, unsolicited and incriminating evidence? Dogs must be available to follow up any injured badger. This Political cowardice is despicable. Thought that was Aspirin or is that for cats?????? the majority will be beef herds and The only beneficiaries from yet another failed cull will be the egos of the badger groups; they would then claim that It is not our badgers! He even amended Sir John Krebs proposed design of the trial. May be it was not convenient? Posted on 11 Apr 2008 8:32 pm (Report this annotation). Definitely not suitable in woods, standing corn etc. actions expected to cause badgers to Home | WebIn this video I show you how to kill a badger and yes I'm back online, sorry it's in portrait Krebs had too many anomalies and weaknesses in the strategy for it to be successful. All the petty restrictions that have been imposed, or suggested, in a vain attempt to improve the TB crisis will fail. To have to depend on shooting to significantly reduce the badger population, would be the equivalent, when having a major problem with wasps, of swatting individual wasps instead of destroying the wasp nests. 6. the way to eradicate With only a few TB bacilli a challenge, cattle are obviously put at a great risk of infection.