First, it is another name for spirit prison, a temporary place in the postmortal world for those who died without a knowledge of the truth or those who were disobedient in mortality. 16:18). J. Reuben Clark, Jr., Church Leaders and the Scriptures, [original title When Are the Writings or Sermons of Church Leaders Entitled to the Claim of Scripture?] Immortality and Eternal Life: Reflections from the Writings and Messages of President J. Reuben Clark, Jr., Vol, 2, (1969-70): 221; address to Seminary and Institute Teachers, BYU (7 July 1954); reproduced in Church News (31 July 1954); also reprinted in Dialogue 12/2 (Summer 1979): 6881. The phrase first occurs in Jesus' comment concerning the faith of the Centurion of Capernaum: And I say to thee that many shall come from the east and the west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven: But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into the exterior darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Mormons believe we existed before coming to Earth. It honors and glorifies Satan. The sinner must deal with the self-created gulf on his own, with the help of the Savior and his Atonement. These spirits never received a mortal body necessary to progress to a kingdom of glory. A church manual reports, To become a son of perdition one must sin against the Holy Ghost, but before that is possible, one must receive the gift of the Holy Ghost (Doctrine and Covenants Student Manual Religion 324 and 325, 2001, p. 161). Becoming a son of Perdition is hard therefore going to outer darkness is hard. Only a handful of "sons of perdition" would go. Johns announcement of death and hell releasing their dead for judgment is augmented by the Book of Mormon prophet Jacob, who taught the same doctrine but provided significantly more detail. This is a place very close in nature to the biblical hell. 14:18.) The first example would be spirits from the preexistence who sided with Lucifer rather than Jesus at the Council in Heavenwhere it was decided who would become the Savior of the World. Thus, the second death is taught in conjunction with the first death, which came as a consequence of the Fall of Adam and Eve, and also with the Atonement of Jesus Christ, which redeems all of humankind from the first death through resurrection and the second death through repentance. Doctrine and Covenants / Pearl of Great Price, Mormon Objections to Christian Evangelism, Teachings of the Presidents of the Church, Why Practically NobodyIncluding You, Former MormonWill Ever End up In Outer Darkness, Divine Love in the Fathers Plan (Dallin H. Oaks, April 2022). In this realm, as the name implies, there will be no light, and consequently no heat. In the Book of Mormon the phrase lake of fire and brimstone is used as a metaphor for the suffering that awaits the wicked. there are two answers, one is being cast out of the presence of God which would be a form of darkness and the other is complete darkness without even the spirit of God in a spiritual realm as far as the light has an end, if thats possible. 23:33). Cain is a Son of Perdition. You are taking quotes that are not Mormon Doctrine. Jacob identified death and hell as temporal and spiritual death. Outer Darkness. Sons of perdition include (1) those who followed Satan and were cast out of heaven for rebellion during premortality and (2) those who were permitted to be born to this world with physical bodies but then served Satan and turned utterly against God. The phrases depths of hell, awful hell, sleep of hell, pains of hell, chains of hell, everlasting hell, and endless hell are all unique to the Book of Mormon. Can someone get out of this state of Perdition once they are in it? Outer darkness is a eternal place of torment reserved for those who are sons of perdition. According to LDS scripture, this will be a place that where there is weeping, and wailing, and gnashing of teeth (Doctrine and Covenants 101:91; also see 133:73). The second death is spiritual and is separation from God. Another manual states, Baptism is the first saving ordinance of the gospel (see Articles of Faith 1:4). Your generous support makes the work of MRM possible. While some apparently have taught that these spirits could be restored to a kingdom of glory, 12th President Spencer W. Kimball said this wasnt true: In the days of the restoration there apparently were those who taught that the devil and his angels and the sons of perdition should sometime be restored. So the prophet, meeting with apostles is clear on this, there are women. Also God says no one knows in scripture, so stop asking; but He also said in scripture that He upbraideth not those who have questions and if you ask it shall be opened unto you. They are the celestial kingdom, the terrestrial kingdom, the telestial kingdom, and outer darkness. GOSH. From its beginnings, it taught that very few people would go to "outer darkness" the Mormon concept of hell. But what is light? Satan and his followers are beings of spirit who were denied bodies and cast out of heaven during pre-mortal existence (see Plan of Salvation ). It is simply his opinion. Again, the doctrine of the second death is woven together with other essential parts of the plan of salvation, offering the reader the big picture concerning Gods judgments. At the same time, prophets and apostles have taught that you can be sent to outer darkness for simply disbelieving or for apostasy or for being a part of a religion that doesn't have apostles. Those consigned to hell or outer darkness are partakers of the second death, and their torment is as a lake of fire and brimstone. For behold, he surely must die that salvation may come; yea, it behooveth him and becometh expedient that he dieth, to bring to pass the resurrection of the dead, that thereby men may be brought into the presence of the Lord. And I said unto them that our father also saw that the justice of God did also divide the wicked from the righteous; and the brightness thereof was like unto the brightness of a flaming fire, which ascendeth up unto God forever and ever, and hath no end (1 Ne. I have no fear of hell fire, that doesnt exist, but the torment and disappointment of the mind of man is as exquisite as a lake burning with fire and brimstoneso is the torment of man. Even the wicked of the earth who never knew the power of God, after they have paid the price of their sinningfor they must suffer the excruciating torment which sins will bringshall at last come forth from the prison house. Please read, the source above, What is Official LDS Doctrine. https://www.fairmormon.org/answers/Plan_of_salvation/Sons_of_Perdition/Can_women_be_%22Sons_of_Perdition%22. True, some former Mormons have expressed doubts and wondered if the church might possibly be true, which is a completely natural response after having left the one true church. If they decided they made a mistake because they still believed the church were true, they would be more apt to rejoin it rather than stay excommunicated and fight against it. Clean and Unclean That night not one boy was interested in going to hell! I was taught that to be condemned to outer darkness you would have to deny Christ to his very face and that could occur . This is the final destination of Satan himself. Making the LDS Church Slightly Better: A Members Wish List. Wilford Woodruff in a meeting with the apostles, 1893 D. Michael Quinn, The Mormon Hierarchy: Extensions of Power (Salt Lake City, Utah: Signature Books, 1997) p. 795. Thank you! Delving into the interesting bits about any religion to stem from Joseph Smith Jr. Joseph F. Smith,The Second Death,inBrian H. Stuy (editor). [2]. 14:1519). It clarifies how using an obscure quote does not define LDS doctrines or dogmas. 21:8). Mormons also believe that those on Earth with bodies can become a Son of Perdition, tho this is difficult to do. With the sons of perdition, however, even this blessing is denied. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire [i.e., overcome or defeated by Christs Atonement]. When I was Mormon, I was taught that in order to be sent to Outer Darkness (I'm a woman, that will be relevant in a second) you had to have an UNMISTAKABLE KnOwLeDgE of Christ, and then turn your back on God and deny him. WOMEN ARE BEAUTIFUL ANGELS WHO ARE INCAPABLE OF SINNING. Okay so clearly we have billions of souls who qualify as perdition and go to outer darkness according to one prophet in his personal books and not officially speaking as a prophet. Satan and his followers are beings of spirit who were denied bodies and cast out of heaven during pre-mortal existence (see Plan of Salvation). 11:23). Jacob taught that the lake of fire is not a literal fire but a figurative representation of torment: And assuredly, as the Lord liveth, for the Lord God hath spoken it, and it is his eternal word, which cannot pass away, that they who are righteous shall be righteous still, and they who are filthy shall be filthy still; wherefore, they who are filthy are the devil and his angels; and they shall go away into everlasting fire, prepared for them; and their torment is as a lake of fire and brimstone, whose flame ascendeth up forever and ever and has no end (2 Ne. 15:29, 35; Alma 19:29; 54:7), sleep of hell (2 Ne. To become a church member, baptism and confirmation are required. So there you go, the souls who end up in Outer Darkness are clearly apostates, or not. How impossible would it be for a former Mormon (with full knowledge, even!) Is Jesus the Only Redeemer? Lets go to modern revelation: that there would be no daughters of perdition. Joseph F. Smith Stan Larsen, ed., A Ministry of Meetings: The Diaries of Rudger Clawson, (Salt Lake City, Utah: Smith Associates and Signature Books, 1993) p. 560, Somebody called me up on the telephone and asked if there were daughters of perdition. Horror Short Film "Outer Darkness" | ALTER | Online Premiere 31,262 views Mar 31, 2022 Subscribe to ALTER on YouTube: https://goo.gl/LnXRC3 .more .more 1K Dislike Share Save Description. The followers of Satan who will suffer with him in eternity. And as such I would qualify. Temporary abode of the wicked. On the day of Pentecost, the apostle Peter spoke of the promise David had received that his soul would not be left in hell (Acts 2:27). To qualify, a person would not only have to leave the Mormon church but also vehemently speak against it. Alma 40. . Everyone but the Sons of Perdition and the devil and his devils, will overcome spiritual death through the Atonement of Jesus Christ. However, I think the breakdown I have above is accurate because outer darkest is a place of permanence for the filthy. In my last post, I claimed that I might be a candidate for outer darkness. Following this introduction will be a discussion of the usage of these termsfirst in the New Testament, then in the Book of Mormon. But as with anything, that doesnt stop prophets from talking about it like they knew. Thank you! and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell (James 3:6). Also, Mormons believe in three Heavens. . (Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1966), 758. But Mormons do not believe that just because a Prophet said it, that it makes it true. 6:8). This objection is inconsistent since Mormonism teaches that Lucifer's demon forces, which are clearly destined for "outer darkness," make up one-third of God's "children" (Bruce R. McConkie,Mormon Doctrine, p. 195).