Buckingham recorded his adventures in some of the best hunting stories ever written. RIAC believes that this website is accessible to the widest possible audience pursuant to the guidelines of the Americans with Disability Act. This was a result of the Watrous report, which recommended that many of the slow-selling options be discontinued following the war. My favorite 2 pins were Trap Guns made between 1957-1959 including special order Pigeon grades; fit, finish and blueing was best in those later years. the barrel and chamber are bright and clean. 26" Vent Rib Barrels Choked SKEET. Also, the rib and its receiver extension cover the Winchester proof marks, a sure sign that it is not factory installed. Buttstocks of duck guns had lead slugs inserted into the wood beneath the recoil pad. However, Winchester and his succeeding family members successfully managed Winchester Repeating Arms Company from 1866 to 1919. Factory original Model 12s with round post ribs were made by Winchester, not Simmons. I pick them up through the interlacing covert, a bunch of suspicious mallards driving for safety. Gun Digest editors know guns so you know guns. Saint Charles, Missouri. so recall pads helped and they offerd hydro coil-stocks. Simmons also removed Solid Ribs from barrels and added his rib to those barrels. , The Winchester Model 12 Y series was introduced in 1972 and made until about 1984. So a shooter really doesnt need a rib. The earliest Simmons catalog I ever found was 1949 when Ernie began advertising his "Special vent rib" which was the "Dounut Post". When it was. Bluing is in overall very good condition. The Model 12 2 pin rib has always been "KING" but don't turn you nose up @ a Dounut Post model 12 as production in Trap & Skeet model only lasted from late 1955 to 1956 then round post was alternate rib to the 2 pin. Thus it was that the American Rifleman staff thought it odd that Winchester brought out the 3-inch chamber in their Model 12 pump gun. In duck shooting the proportion of magazine guns in use is much higher, probably four men in five using the repeater. Askins added, Fact is, personally, I have always thought that I was surer on the second bird with a repeater than I was with a double gun. On gauges for duck hunting: No fault is to be found with the twelve [gauge] as a duck gun, whether in double barrel with 3 inch cases or in repeaters with 2 3/4 inch. Writing in the March 1927 issue of the American Rifleman, Askins reports that his Remington Model 10 12-gauge pump averaged 89% of 1 1/4-ounces of shot in a 3-inch circle at 40 yards. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Winchester Model 12 12 ga 26" oal aftermarket poly choke and vent rib at the best online prices at eBay! Smith Double Barrel Shotgun $250 Mar 24, 2023 Browning "Twenty" Semi Automatic Shotgun $200 Mar 24, 2023 Browning "Light Twelve" Semi Automatic Shotgun $200 Mar 24, 2023 Browning Pump Action Shotgun $150 The Pitt-man-Robertson Act of 1937 began an 11 percent excise tax on sporting arms and ammunition. For more information: www.p65warnings.ca.gov. You are also correct that the different rib styles used on Model 12's can get confusing..EG. I rebuilt all of the trigger assemble with all new parts just reusing the guard. George Watrous, a longtime Winchester employee with many talents, was commissioned to investigate the good and bad points of Winchesters pre-war line and make suggestions for postwar improvement. The committee appointed to study the requirements for continuing business reported a successful reorganization would require the raising of a substantial amount of new capital. That capital was supplied by the Olin family of Olin Industries, owners of Western Cartridge Company. However, the gun for which Johnson is best remembered is his Model 12 pump-action shotgun, The Perfect Repeater.. This little shotgun appears to have never been assembled and and has a 28 inch full choke barrel. John Olin wanted a new 3-inch .410 shotshell with 3/4-ounce of shot for Winchesters new Model 42. Ronald Stadt states in Winchester Shotguns and Shot-shells: All Winchester special ventilated rib magnum guns examined have sand-blasted receiver tops. Solid ribs were offered until the mid-1950s, except as noted by Stadt: The 1960 wholesale-retail catalog listed 30-inch solid rib pidgeon magnums. I read your posts; you do love the Model 12, been there done that. Winchester Model 12 Pigeon 28 Gauge Single Family Owned Since 1967, Vent. I am still going with "Winchester sent Model 12s to Simmons for ribs, but Simmons sold them." Mar 24, 2023 Winchester Model 12 Shotgun $150 Mar 24, 2023 Two Winchester Pump Shotguns $150 Mar 24, 2023 L.C. - Straight Sighting Plane - Floating Vent rib action - Extra Strong Silver soldered posts Gun Type Over/Under w/RBSingle Barrel w/RB No other pump shotgun feels like the duck gun. However, Winchesters ribs were not marked with the Simmons name and Kansas City address as mine is. Experts can attest to the vast improvements they have found shooting with the Simmons Ventilated Rib. Winchester cautiously claimed 70 to 75% pattern in a 30 inch circle at 40 yards.. In fact, Madis states Any twelve gauge Model Twelve could be re-chambered and reworked to shoot three inch shells for a small additional charge[by Winchester], yet few guns were reworked in this way. I can find no external differences in receiver dimensions, other than the ejection port, between standard and magnum versions. Pandemonium! ONLY ONE EVER PRODUCED BY WINCHESTER, ULIMATE RARITY. According to my source your Model 12 Winchester was made in 1924, so it is 89 years old. Winchester installed Simmons ribs and Simmons-designed ventilated ribs for several years. Winchester - Model 12, Deluxe, Pump Action, RARE 28ga. Madis states Ventilated ribs were rarely offered on [duck] guns. However, The fact is a few duck guns were provided with these ribs. Dave Riffles book and the various catalogs I have indicate that the Winchester new ventilated rib was an option from about 1954 to 1959. Cred, Ser no 510553, Mfg 1928 , Numbers Match, 30" Donut Post Vent Rib that is stamped Imp Cyl but has been relined and is Mod, 2nd barrel is 30" Donut Post Vent Rib stamped full but is Mod, Stamp, This Winchester Model 12 was manufactured in 1955 and is in good condition for its age. That way, were helping small businesses in bolt act. Curious, I fired five additional patterns at 60 yards with Model 12 number 1418XXX and the Winchester load of 1 5/8-ounces of #4 shot. Must ship to an FFL. 1934 skeet grade offerd. Lot 6593: Winchester Model 42 Slide Action Shotgun with Simmons Vent RibAuction Date: February 17, 2023. SN is 167xx, all numbers do match. I included tungsten polymer shot because it is non-toxic to waterfowl and has the same density as lead. Its even harder to find a 2-barrel set 16 gauge. Winchester recognized the scarcity of ducks in their promotional advertisement of the new duck gun To Meet the New Wildfowling Conditions. I suspect most Model 12 duck guns bought before World War II were put to work on other game. It was John Olin who inspired Westerns revolutionary Super-Xshotshell in 1921. These ribs have Simmons markings. We get the FFL from your store others make you find it, copy it, and fax it. Remington's Nylon 66 semi-automatic .22 LR rifles have grown from 1950s bargain buys to 21st century collectors darlings. or Rudy Dozenrod out of Wyndemere, S.D. Some will even go 85% to 90%, but rarely. Keith, who obtained Askins Ithaca 10 magnum double upon Askins death, achieved 93% patterns with two ounces of copper-plated#3 shot in the big double. Stay in the know. The 3-inch shell was chambered originally in the famous Super Fox long-range double. The Gun and the Times The Model 12 duck gun examined by the staff of the American Rifleman in 1936 was the earliest version. It was manufactured in 1962 and is a skeet grade. The buttstock was reshaped on Model 12 shotguns again in the mid-1950s. The pidgeon-grade duck gun was discontinued in 1961. 30 Barrel. Beautiful grain pattern and very tight hand checkering on the stock . 4 chilled shot.. Free Shipping, No Credit Card Fees. This test determines if excessive peening of the bolt locking cut in the receiver has occurred. M, ventilated rib, mid 1950's manufacture, completely original, only one ever produced by Winchester, ultimate rarity for the Model 12 co, 12ga, #1737096, standard gun that has been restocked and has a Simmons ventilated rib added, 12ga, 30 inch barrel, full choke, 2 3/4 inch chamber, 14 3/4 inch LOP with "Decelerator" pad, blu, Winchester Model 12 - 20ga - 26 - Improved Cylinder- NIB - UNFIRED - SN: MT0162 - AS NEW with high figured wood, Winchester Model 12 28 gauge Skeet solid rib. Herbert Houze summarizes the Watrous report in his book Winchester Repeating Arms Company, Its History & Development from 1865 to 1981. There are currently no customer product questions on this lot. Winchester needed to cut it's manufacturing costs and the milled vented rib was a costly proceedure. The takedown joints are tight (See the instructions in Madis book if your Model 12 has a loose take-down joint). This gun has been single family owned since bought used in 1967. Firearms dont get much more iconic than John Moses Brownings legendary Auto-5 semi-auto shotgun, affectionately called the Humpback for its distinctive drop at the rear of the receiver. I was glad to see this as I know for a fact that while many weren't done, they did indeed do some. Rudy was well known with model 12' s and pre-64 model 70's now as far a Felix, he's in a better place now. Not sure how many of you know this, but the rib has a serial number stamped on the underside of them with the same number stamped on the underside of the barrel. Note: The posting of Copyrighted material on this forum is prohibited without Charles Askins is the father of the late Colonel Charles Askins, Jr., of course. Number 8 and 2 shot provided wider and more even patterns with no center thickening. 3-inch Super Twelve Shotshell My copy of Winchesters Catalog No. The gun looked to be in excellent condition except some nitwit had inlayed a white plastic diamond in the stock at some point. I still have a few 2nd style action slides left. very accurate description and fast delivery, HOCH Reloading Single Cavity Mold c56 309170 .309 170gr nose pour NICE (#334593408927), Arrived quickly, well packaged, item is as described. View cart for details. His Super Fox 12 gauge magnum double averaged 83.7% (two-barrel average) of 1 3/8ounces of shot under the same conditions. Ernie special order model 12's from Winchester to add his Dounut Vent Rib. Save $500.02 SKU: 3226743 . THE SHOTGUN HAS A 30' PLAIN BARREL AND IS FULL CHOKE. Winchester Custom Model 12 20ga Deluxe GI#: 102228842 Winchester Custom Model 12 20ga 2 3/4" 28" full choke barrel,Simmons vent rib,serial #683559,fancy French Walnut checkered stocks with great color and figure,jeweled bolt and lifter,ex .Click for more info Seller: First Stop Gun Area Code: 605 $1,750.00 The silhouette provides a precise aiming point. would buy from again without hesitation, Smith & Wesson S&W Vintage Screwdriver 8 Row Knurled Handle used (#234907824646), Remington 700 stamped metal Magazine Follower .222 .223 .17 used nice (#334728927905). I am anxious to get it back from the engraver. Whether you're looking for a truck gun, something for the bug out bag, or a do-anything firearm we have you covered. At Guns.com, if an FFL is I am planning on shooting it at the Grand Nostalgia shoot. So here is a history lesson on the skeet grade. Factroy finish on metal, custom wood. George Madis indicates in his book The Winchester Model Twelve that about 18,000 Model 12 duck guns were sold during the 1935-1941 period. The 1 5/8-ounce load of the mid-30s bought the 12 magnum a few more yards of range. This test, along with a check of adjustment remaining in the takedown joint and functioning of the slide lock dis-connector, are my standard mechanical checks for a Model 12. Duck hunters bought 12-gauge doubles with 3-inch chambers to use the new Super-X magnum load, the Super Twelve as it was soon called. Built from 1912 to 1963. Ducks Unlimited was born in 1937 to aid in restoration of wetland breeding areas, primarily in Canada. We need to talk model 12's sometime. I put one of those BIG soft foam risers on the comb and shot it that way for years. You have entered an incorrect email address! The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Checkered stocks and extension slide handles were available as options on the standard grade throughout most of the duck guns production. Emphasis was placed on loads of #4 shot because of its historical significance in waterfowl hunting and association with the long-range objectives of the Model 12 duck gun. Epic 22 Pocket Pistol: The Beretta 71 Jaguar. . MAKE OFFER. generous return policy, and handle everything you dont have to go back to I had a friend who is deceased now that did extensive research on the Model 12 2-pin rib. Sold them when we down sized to a smaller house that did not have a custom built safe room in it like the old house. Lot 6593: Winchester Model 42 Slide Action Shotgun . Total production reached two million. . I included #2 shot because this size shot has always been my goose and turkey load in 3-inch shells. Dolphin717, please give us a page reference in Stadt where he mentions Simmons sending Model 12s with ribs back to Winchester for finishing, and/or marketing. Ernie special order model 12's from Winchester to add his Dounut Vent Rib. Duck guns always sold for a slight premium over the standard model. In 1963, when production ended, Riffles book shows no options available. All Rights Reserved, Winchester Model 12 Heavy Duck Gun 30" Simmons Vent Rib 1953 Pre 64 Rare 12 Ga. Magnum 3" Edition Proof Marking. Condition: excellent bright bore, 98% blue overall thinn, Winchester Model 12. It is at my engraver now. Guns.com is built to be simple easily organized products, useful descriptions from experts, and support to guide you to the right choice. The Model 12 was about 40 percent more expensive than the '97, yet it consistently outsold its older brother during the 45-year-span they shared in the Winchester catalog. restrictions refer to: http://www.copyright.gov/laws/ - doublegunshop.com will not monitor nor will they be held liable for copyright violations presented on the BBS which is an open and un-moderated public forum. Delivery times may vary, especially during peak periods. That is true about Model 42s, but, as far as researchers know, it is not true about Model 12s. Initially came a series of auto-loading rifles, including the rimfire Model 1903 and centerfire rifles, culminating with the Model 1910, chambered for the 401 WSL cartridge. We'rebringing a level of It was Western that produced the 3 1/2-inch 10-gauge magnum with 2 ounces of shot in 1932. S/N 1,589,*** made in 1954. The used value of a WINCHESTER MODEL 12 shotgun has fallen ($310.78) dollars over the past 12 months to a price of $447.25 . I kept the ones that were dearer to me so now they live in safes and I hate the safes. Only rib extensions of the same width as the factory ventilate drib are found on receivers of duck guns. The Model 12 duck guns are still as suitable for waterfowl passes, fox trails or the habitat of the wary gobbler as they were when the duck hunters at Winchester surprised the market in 1935. To elaborate on lowgun's response, the "round post" rib was made by Simmons, not Winchester. Rib Boat, Winchester Winchester Rifle Parts, 12 in Frame 12 in Wheel Electric Bikes, 12 Gauge Barrels, Youth Football Rib Protector . Exquisite Winchester Model 12, 20 gauge with Modified bore. According to the Serial# 1439865, and Winchester manufacturing records, this gun w. 12ga, #366988, 30 inch barrel, 2 1/2 inch chamber, full choke, solid rib, blue finish, straight grip checkered walnut stock, checkered walnut forearm, 13 3/4 LOP with "newer" Winchester pad, 12ga, #1417110, 30 inch barrel, 3 inch chamber, full choke, blue finish, walnut stock and forearm, solid rib, original red rubber pad, 1954. But for some reason, buying a gun online can There is a moderate mark as shown in the photograph. The survival of both Western and Winchester now depended on Olin management. Manufactured in 1959. Askins concludes How far are we going to be able to kill ducks? Thereafter, a staggering number of variations were produced during the 1912-1980 period. Stock is very fine, with light scratching, pressure dents and an attractive grain pattern. Serial numbers match on barrel and receiver. be complicated. Every once in a while a Model 12 comes through our club with a high Moneymaker rib like that. These are rare, a line can be seen along the dounut post on both sides. Ernie Simmons of Olathe, Kansas, a gunsmithing "whiz-kid" and a fairly good skeet shooter to boot-they were involved in the later cost-saving Winchester ventilated ribs for various Winchester shotguns- Model 12's, Model 50's, possibly Model 21's-. Length of pull was reduced in January 1936 to reflect the extra clothing worn by duck hunters. Both guns averaged 80% or better patterns with all loads of #4 shot. Ab steadies the boat. The Simmons rib is done at Winchesters direction as it has the WP proof offset from the rib. In an ad in the October 1952 American Rifleman, Winchester proclaimed. The new value of a WINCHESTER MODEL 12 shotgun has fallen ($937.31) dollars over the past 12 months to a price of $484.80 . The 12-gauge 3-inch magnum shotshell was developed to achieve this objective. Franklin W. Olin founded Western Cartridge Company in 1898. Range was 40 yards from gun muzzle to target frame. You are correct. Winchester Model 12 28 Gauge (W9229) Price: $3,250.00 Item Number: W9229 Previously sold Winchester Model 12 28 Gauge shotgun. Made in 1928, 12 Gauge, 28"" barrel. Could it be that the intended rough usage led to lack of care in the fitting of parts of early duck guns? The point is the model 12 evolved. A study of Michael McIntoshs book Best Guns indicates that a few thousand of the specialized waterfowl doubles of all brands were sold between 1921 and 1941. Johnson, at once one of the great gun designers and one of the least known, produced a steady flow of new firearm designs for Winchester. It has a Simmons rib, which is not out of the question for Winchester to have used according to Maddis in his book of the model 12's. The metal finish is superior to a field grade gun, higher polish and a matted receiver top and magazine tube. Although the quality of the rib will be the same as the original Winchester, the only way a Simmons rib looks OK on a Model 12 is if they DON'T put their silly name down the side of the rib. The barrel is stamped "WS 1" with 2 3/4, ****SOLD******Mfg 1956, 30" 2-Pin Vent Rib, Full, B-Carved Wood, 13 3/4" Lop to Winchester Pad, Wood shows some handling marks Nothing Bad, 90-95% Blue, Shiney Bore, Buyer pays 60.00 shippin. organized, dont tell you a lot about what youre buying, and leave you on your Western rapidly achieved a leading position in the ammunition industry through innovation and skillful management. Something went wrong. MAKE OFFER. 98% original, WINCHESTER MODEL 25 PUMP SHOTGUN SOLID FRAME MODEL BARREL LENGTH 28" CHOKE MODIFIED. This percentage was disappointing compared to the 80% or better patterns obtained with other duck guns tested by the staff. Options for the Model 12 duck gun were reduced over the years, particularly following World War II. DAC 1 1/2"&n, FRO YOUR VIEWING IS A EXCEPTIONALY NICE MODEL 12 IN 3' HEAVY DUCK. The Winchester Model 12 Heavy Duck Gun Proved Itself a Shooter, Colt No Longer Exclusive Owner of M4 Rifle, Mossberg 940 Pro Turkey & Tactical Review: Shotgun Shangri-La, SHOT Show 2023 Picks: Fossari CRX9 Sporting Over/Under, SHOT Show 2023 Picks: Browning Citori High Grade 50th Anniversary, 8 On-Target Concealed Carry Insurance Options (2022), 10 Affordable Double-Barrel Shotgun Options (2022), Best AR-15 Options For Any Budget And Buyers Guide (2022), Best Concealed Carry Handguns For Women (2022). Skeet gun marked "2 7/8" chamber skeet 28 gauge. Action works very nicely. This likely was the last mention of solid ribs in Winchester literature. The duck gun was discontinued in 1963. Manufactured in 1962. Tommy, I would be interested in one of the guns you describe. IC CHOKED MIROKU MADE. A red rubber Winchesterre coil pad was added the first year of production. Winchester Model 12 16 ga NIB Never Assembled! The slide handle was given a larger diameter, flat bottom and 14 grooves on each side of the handle about 1947. It is not as slow or pokey as one might expect. The staff shot skeet with the gun and concluded It is not as fast as the standard Model-12, but nearly so., In further shooting tests the staff found We could not discern any practical difference in recoil effect when shooting standard three inch heavy duck loads. Winchester supplied two boxes of 3-inch shells loaded with 1 3/8-ounces of #5 chilled shot pushed by four drams equivalent of powder.
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